The Battle Of The Denmark Strait Warship+Aircraft Pack (WIP, Several ways to help!)

[SaturnianBlue]

11 minutes ago, pTrevTrevs said:

The soundtracks from Silent Hunter may work, but I'm not reallysure. The one I'm thinking of is from SH4, but it's more suited for a Pacific Ocean setting. SH5's music is more quiet, although more tense. It's probably better for a scene where you see the different aspects of the fight converging, like a brewing storm. I haven't listen to SH3's track in detail yet.

Possibly, but I wonder about Copyright and such...

[pTrevTrevs]

2 hours ago, SaturnianBlue said:

Possibly, but I wonder about Copyright and such...

Wouldn't you run into the same problems if you used music from War Thunder or Battlestations Pacific? I doubt those tracks are open source, although I can't say for sure.

EDIT: Here are a few tracks from SH3 I think would work. They've survived on YouTube since 2009, so I guess that there wouldn't be any trouble with copyright.

Probably best for the opening stages of the battle itself

This one sounds good for when the British task force is shadowing the Germans.

This one possibly for when the German ships first set sail or stop in Norway?

For when the Hood get sunk.

There's a whole playlist of these if you don't like the ones I selected, but these are the ones I think would fit best. After all, most of these are meant to be played during the tension of stalking a convoy, the chaos of a torpedo attack, or the sheer terror of being depth charged.

Edited May 12, 2016 by pTrevTrevs

[SaturnianBlue]

31 minutes ago, pTrevTrevs said:

Wouldn't you run into the same problems if you used music from War Thunder or Battlestations Pacific? I doubt those tracks are open source, although I can't say for sure.

EDIT: Here are a few tracks from SH3 I think would work. They've survived on YouTube since 2009, so I guess that there wouldn't be any trouble with copyright.

Probably best for the opening stages of the battle itself

This one sounds good for when the British task force is shadowing the Germans.

This one possibly for when the German ships first set sail or stop in Norway?

For when the Hood get sunk.

There's a whole playlist of these if you don't like the ones I selected, but these are the ones I think would fit best. After all, most of these are meant to be played during the tension of stalking a convoy, the chaos of a torpedo attack, or the sheer terror of being depth charged.

However the company that made battlestations I believe doesn't exist anymore. In any case, thanks! Definitely considering these.  

Edit: Also, what about when the German ships fire on the Prince Of Wales?

Edited May 12, 2016 by SaturnianBlue

[pTrevTrevs]

That part would just be in the battle itself, would it not? I'm not sure you should bring in a completely different track to see the ship that doesn't get sunk get fired upon.

Of course, it's your movie, not mine, if you want I can do some more looking this afternoon.

[kapteenipirk]

Here's some of my suggestions for music.

I don't know about copyright for any of these, so some friendly e-mails  to devs and creators might be needed to avoid copyright problems.

Plus, not all of these are exactly WW2 themed pieces of music, but i think they fit pretty well.

There will be 2-3 different options for tracks, you now, for variety. Also these tracks will be from all over the place, so they won't be from a single soundtrack.

Note: i will only be putting up the links because i don't want this post to be 2 pages long.

And yes, i have played all of these games.

 

All right lets begin.

Here are some tracks for when the task force i trying to find the German ships.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTrq7bv5_xE

Here's a track from R.U.S.E, one of my favorite RTS games.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90lRSI8YOs

The next one is the track (medal of honor allied assault) that you hear when you are inside the U-529 ready to scuttle it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4HpFxmKGEo&list=PL7AC3A34E5008F101&index=17

This is one of the unused tracks for battlefield 1942. This could also work for when the British are shadowing the German ships.

 

These are track for when the British are shadowing the Germans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCulNPega5Y&index=22&list=PL7AC3A34E5008F101

Another unused track for Battlefield 1942.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9t83QZXggk&index=2&list=PLsEjanISsVjBalMlf1gz_qy3JPDw8LWmF

Here's a track from World of Warships. There are about a 170 or even more tracks on that OST, so there's plenty to choose from.

 

Next up we have some tracks for when the fleet is readying to fire the the first salvo and for when the battle is about to begin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-NdIUgTGw&list=PLsEjanISsVjBalMlf1gz_qy3JPDw8LWmF&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3SDpQrunfA&index=8&list=PLsEjanISsVjBalMlf1gz_qy3JPDw8LWmF

Here are a couple more tracks from WOWs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Gng1SKWNqY&list=PLsEjanISsVjBN3HWlkfe3h7I2M4o5XWm6&index=1

This one is about as far from WW2 music, but has that perfect build up. You can just see the gun slowly turning into position and when the drop hits, BOOM all the guns fire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsXhmIC0ORw

Aah, the classic intro theme from Battlefield 1942, i really wish that game would work on Windows 8.1.

 

Now for some battle music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltohS0Ofi4I&index=6&list=PLsEjanISsVjBalMlf1gz_qy3JPDw8LWmF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6HFsVgUmo8&index=4&list=PLsEjanISsVjBalMlf1gz_qy3JPDw8LWmF

More tracks from WOWs'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8--Lcy-ehI&index=2&list=PLsEjanISsVjBN3HWlkfe3h7I2M4o5XWm6

This one is about as German as you can get. It's from a flash game called Endless War 7.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEGD-tQQqbA

Who could forget the Battlefield 1943 theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKUvm5JxhJw

It's the Briefing music from Battlefield 1942.

 

And now for the music when Hood blows apart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khYbewsgLbU

It's the theme-song for Black Mesa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUNqlTN54LM&index=3&list=PLqcGvP7TBm_mjaDAWyQ8v9LTYlYREoZGX

One of the songs from medal of honor pacific assault.

 

And here are some tracks fro when Prince of Wales makes it's escape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du0tj_xdybg

Some dog-fighting music from Medal of Honor Pacific assault.

 

I think that pretty much wraps it up.

I suggest cheking out some of the other pieces of music from those soundtracks, since there are a lot of good tracks on those that can fit many situations.

Edited May 12, 2016 by kapteenipirk

[Columbia]

On 5/11/2016 at 7:47 PM, kapteenipirk said:

I think that being as accurate in terms of detail (Well, not every little detail tough) and size is pretty important in a cinematic like this.

It'll be shown for, what, 10 seconds? Or even less? The Luftwaffe's air cover as the Bismarck and Prinz Eugen left Norway during that time is one of the most unimportant events during the Battle of the Denmark Strait, and it's not as if it's a documentary or something. 

 

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You don't want to put a 1:1 aircraft/ship in the same shot with a 1,6:1 aircraft/ship, or everybody will be confused.

These aircraft are tiny compared to the ships it (might) be sailing alongside. I'm pretty sure a 50% increase won't be as noticeable.

 

[kapteenipirk]

On 12.5.2016 at 5:44 PM, Columbia said:

It'll be shown for, what, 10 seconds? Or even less? The Luftwaffe's air cover as the Bismarck and Prinz Eugen left Norway during that time is one of the most unimportant events during the Battle of the Denmark Strait, and it's not as if it's a documentary or something. 

You shouldn't leave out details because their not shown for more than 10 seconds especially if they end up being in a close up shot. Even just 10 second is enough to let people see that someone has been cutting corners/been lazy a bit.

Plus, attention to detail is what makes a movie that get's attention and prase.

Again, it's just my honest opinion.

But, i think that the best way to solve to this is to ask @SaturnianBlue for he's opinion on this.

On 12.5.2016 at 5:44 PM, Columbia said:

These aircraft are tiny compared to the ships it (might) be sailing alongside. I'm pretty sure a 50% increase won't be as noticeable.

Yep, that shouldn't be a problem as long as their not too close to one another.

Altough, you'd be suprised that just how little details people can spot and complain about, though i don't think it should be too much of a problem since we are talking about a KSP film.

[SaturnianBlue]

@Columbia Honestly I don't think the scale matters, but when it comes to detail I don't think you should leave put too much detail, though cutting a small few corners is ok, since I had to do it more than a few times for my ships.

[Columbia]

 

20 hours ago, kapteenipirk said:

You shouldn't leave out details because their not shown for more than 10 seconds especially if they end up being in a close up shot. Even just 10 second is enough to let people see that someone has been cutting corners/been lazy a bit.

Plus, attention to detail is what makes a movie that get's attention and prase.

Again, it's just my honest opinion.

But, i think that the best way to solve to this is to ask @SaturnianBlue for he's opinion on this.

Yep, that shouldn't be a problem as long as their not too close to one another.

Altough, you'd be suprised that just how little details people can spot and complain about, though i don't think it should be too much of a problem since we are talking about a KSP film.

I'm not saying I want to compromise most of the details, but there are other factors too.

If I add too much, it may look off compared to the other aircraft around it, not to mention high part count.

Of course, if I add too little it may no longer look like a Bf 109.

I'm not cutting corners, I'm just saying from "not being that accurate" is that every aircraft used by the Luftwaffe doesn't need to be in the film. If you have two 1,000~~ ish part count ships sailing together, not to mention a few Bf 109s and Bf 110s, it's going to lag a **** ton. 

Also, I found this:

..Seems to be both 109 E-4s (JG77) and Bf 110s (ZG 76).

Also, I may not be able to make the Bf 110 in time (it's damn difficult) so maybe someone could fill in that slot.

Also, here are my music recommendations: (Also, 9 minutes is about 1 minute less than the actual battle, so it's practically a short film..)

PS: My taste in music is really.. bad.

Maybe you could use this one at the start of Operation Rheinübung?, as it leaves Grimstadfjord? It's a bit short however.

Or this? 
 

And maybe this for engaging Hood and Prince of Wales? (The latter part of it.)

Or this, especially considering that 1:27 fits Hood's explosion sequence. A side question, how would you recreate that?

 

I'll look deeper.

Edited May 13, 2016 by Columbia

[kapteenipirk]

On 13.5.2016 at 7:52 AM, Columbia said:

I'm not saying I want to compromise most of the details, but there are other factors too.

If I add too much, it may look off compared to the other aircraft around it, not to mention high part count.

Of course, if I add too little it may no longer look like a Bf 109.

I'm not cutting corners, I'm just saying from "not being that accurate" is that every aircraft used by the Luftwaffe doesn't need to be in the film. If you have two 1,000~~ ish part count ships sailing together, not to mention a few Bf 109s and Bf 110s, it's going to lag a **** ton. 

Fair enough. Let's just call it a day before this turns in to a heated argument.

On 13.5.2016 at 7:52 AM, Columbia said:

Also, I may not be able to make the Bf 110 in time (it's damn difficult) so maybe someone could fill in that slot.

you'd be happy to know that i have just started the work on my BF-110 and the BF-109 E-4 is already done and tested ( i went for more realism, thus a part count of 175 witch is a bit high). It should be up later today.

(It was impossible to get a shot of all 4 machine-guns firing at once)

The Bf 110 shouldn't have as high of a part count since i'm going to use fairings instead of trying to make a super detailed fuselage like i did with the BF-109

On 13.5.2016 at 7:52 AM, Columbia said:

Also, I found this:

Nice, definetly an interesting find. Now we don't have to choose between the two cause now we can use both at once.

[SaturnianBlue]

I seems to be having difficulty with Prince Of Wales, and delays might keep the cinematic/movie from. Getting released exactly on May 24th...

@Columbia If you download my Hood, you'll notice some tallboy bombs in the aft, there are a couple gifs demonstrating it, but the problems is that it doesn't really like to fully sink...

[kapteenipirk]

Alright, here are the two Messerscmitt's i was talking about.

The side profile looks a little too tall to me making it look a bit stubby.

It has 175 parts in it witch is a bit much.

It's not perfect but, i think it looks pretty good just like the rest of em (you be the judge of that). I did have to use the no offset limits mod tough, but that wont affect anything.

It has exactly 200 parts.

This one is actually a bit smaller than the real thing witch puts it in a different scale compared to the Spitfire and BF-109.

Hopefully this wont be too much of a problem.

 

Both of these machines fly pretty much the same way as the Spitfire and have similar top speeds. The German aircrafts are more stable tough and are easy to takeoff. Plus, they have more fuel.

 

And here are the download links.

BF-109: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xt2qg6o7j1mbfoa/BF-109.craft?dl=0

BF-110: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yx6hg1p36rkn1p5/BF-110%20E.craft?dl=0

[pTrevTrevs]

I think I've worked out all the kinks for the Swordfish, so I'm going to put the craft file here for you to take a look at and see if you want anything changed. Be aware that the struts on the wings and torpedo sight will disconnect themselves at the slightest excuse (Ctrl+Z, moving the ship, looking at them funny, etc.). Sometimes reloading the craft (if you haven't saved it) will work, sometimes it doesn't.

When taking off don't apply any pitch until you see the tail wheel lift off the ground and only use the rudder sparingly to keep the plane straight, otherwise you might scrape the torpedo on the ground. Recommended torpedo drop height is around 70 m ASL (it's not like I need to specify ASL anyway) Once it's in the water you will have to switch to it to point it towards its target and start the engine, but it should run by itself after that. If i remember correctly, AG1 toggles the landing flaps, although you may want to remove them since I realized just as I was typing this that I don't know if the real Swordfish even had flaps. I think the plane can run on two thirds throttle at cruising speed, but you may want to keep it on full just because of how slow it is.

CRAFT FILE

 

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TrevCo Inc. does not guarantee carrier landing capability for this aircraft. TrevCo Inc. is not responsible for any wrecks this aircraft is involved in. TrevCo Inc. does not recommend using this aircraft in any way other than its intended role, exceeding the intended ordnance load,exceeding maximum crew capacity, flying without proper safety gear and provisions, landing this aircraft with a full ordnance load, attempting to do aerobatics with a full ordnance load, etc. TrevCo Inc. waives any and all liabilities and responsibilities for injury, loss of property, death, kraken attacks, faulty torpedoes, or other misfortunes suffered while flying this aircraft. If any problems are encountered during correct and appropriate use of this aircraft, please contact TrevCo Inc at this address. Please remember that this is a replica of a British aircraft, and as such performance may be improved by flying while drinking a cup of Earl Grey tea (other tea types are available), repeatedly crying "Tally-ho, lads!" at the top of your lungs (TrevCo Inc. is not responsible for any noise complaints received from family or friends), and playing either "The British Grenadiers" or "It's a Long Way to Tipperary" on the best audio system you can find for your entire household/neighborhood to hear. Thank you.

 

[SaturnianBlue]

@pTrevTrevsExcellent, i'll definitely be taking look tomorrow. As it happens, I also seem to have found myself listening to It's a Long Way To Tipperary and The British Grenadiers.  

However, Prince Of Wales has suddenly started exploding!

DOWNLOAD To Test Said Exploding Ship

[Columbia]

After two to three painstaking days, I guess I finished draft nummer zwei of the logo.

Also, how's this for when the Spitfire starts spotting Bismarck and Prinz Eugen, or some other part? It's 2 minutes long, though..

 

[Columbia]

On 5/12/2016 at 9:17 AM, pTrevTrevs said:

Wouldn't you run into the same problems if you used music from War Thunder or Battlestations Pacific? I doubt those tracks are open source, although I can't say for sure.

EDIT: Here are a few tracks from SH3 I think would work. They've survived on YouTube since 2009, so I guess that there wouldn't be any trouble with copyright.

I did use Battle Of Britain's "Aces High" and The Martian's "Making Water" soundtracks in my videos before, it was allowed but money will go to the.. uhmm.. people.. who made it. Yeah.

[Columbia]

On 5/14/2016 at 8:50 AM, pTrevTrevs said:

 

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Please remember that this is a replica of a British aircraft, and as such performance may be improved by flying while drinking a cup of Earl Grey tea (other tea types are available), repeatedly crying "Tally-ho, lads!" at the top of your lungs (TrevCo Inc. is not responsible for any noise complaints received from family or friends), and playing either "The British Grenadiers" or "It's a Long Way to Tipperary" on the best audio system you can find for your entire household/neighborhood to hear. Thank you.

 

yisssssssssss--I mean, I approve of this very description, my lad.

Also, any feedback on the logo?

 

[pTrevTrevs]

3 hours ago, Columbia said:

yisssssssssss--I mean, I approve of this very description, my lad.

Also, any feedback on the logo?

 

Delicious stuff, isn't it? I think it was actually Star Trek that first got me hooked on Earl Grey. Picard would always request Earl Grey Tea from the replicator, so I decided that I should try it and see why he liked it so much.

The logo looks good, are the ships going to be replaced with the actual craft used or is that the final version?

[SaturnianBlue]

Sorry for the lack of updates, I've got the Prince Of Wales mostly under control, as it floats pretty well, though unfortunately it still occasionally pitches down and parts of the deck go under, and when left unattended, the ship has a tends to list port HARD.

Now I should test @pTrevTrevs's Swordfish and also begin filming.

[kapteenipirk]

5 hours ago, SaturnianBlue said:

Sorry for the lack of updates, I've got the Prince Of Wales mostly under control, as it floats pretty well, though unfortunately it still occasionally pitches down and parts of the deck go under, and when left unattended, the ship has a tends to list port HARD.

Now I should test @pTrevTrevs's Swordfish and also begin filming.

It's looking pretty darn good.

Well, it does work witch id say is pretty good considering we are in the "interwar period" of KSP where all the mods are getting updated bit by bit. The only thing I have been able to do with the mods I use is brake my game .

Oh, and btw, are you possibly going to make an extended version later on with Suffolk and Norfolk in it.

[SaturnianBlue]

5 hours ago, kapteenipirk said:

It's looking pretty darn good.

Well, it does work witch id say is pretty good considering we are in the "interwar period" of KSP where all the mods are getting updated bit by bit. The only thing I have been able to do with the mods I use is brake my game .

Oh, and btw, are you possibly going to make an extended version later on with Suffolk and Norfolk in it.

Possibly, and that might mean I could consider modifying Bismarck to get a Tirpitz going. Really the main thing stopping me now is Kerbpaint, so i'll have to see what I can do in 1.0.5...

[SaturnianBlue]

I did try to sail Prinz Eugen and Bismarck, but 1.0.5 would crash. I'm currently still on 1.1.0... Considering kerbpaint isn't working, i'm not sure I can get much done my May24th... Any ideas for what i should do?

[Columbia]

On 5/15/2016 at 9:01 PM, pTrevTrevs said:

Delicious stuff, isn't it? I think it was actually Star Trek that first got me hooked on Earl Grey. Picard would always request Earl Grey Tea from the replicator, so I decided that I should try it and see why he liked it so much.

The logo looks good, are the ships going to be replaced with the actual craft used or is that the final version?

Earl Grey tea's nice. It's not too bitter and a bit sweet. I've only tried it once though.

..It's the final version, but I guess if you'd like the actual ships added in, then I'll do so.

 

9 minutes ago, SaturnianBlue said:

I did try to sail Prinz Eugen and Bismarck, but 1.0.5 would crash. I'm currently still on 1.1.0... Considering kerbpaint isn't working, i'm not sure I can get much done my May24th... Any ideas for what i should do?

The Bismarck didn't have much camo when it battled Hood (just gray), but I don't know about the other ships. Maybe you could use parts with similar colors and attach it to the hull? That won't work for Prince of Wales though..

 

[kapteenipirk]

25 minutes ago, SaturnianBlue said:

I did try to sail Prinz Eugen and Bismarck, but 1.0.5 would crash. I'm currently still on 1.1.0... Considering kerbpaint isn't working, i'm not sure I can get much done my May24th... Any ideas for what i should do?

If you ask me, you should just post pone the film until everything is done (ships, aircrafts, etc) and once everything works (aka mods).

(you don't want to create the Sonic Boom of videos, so take your time and make it good)

This is a pretty bad time for making these kind of things cause mods are getting updated and things are broken here and there after a big update to a new engine.

So, I suggest opting for an apology at the start of the video, given the circumstances im pretty sure they will understand that why it's late.

But, of-course there will be those who think these kind of things can be done in a day.

As for KerbPaint, it might take quite a long time till it gets properly fixed. (I have been following it for quite along time now)

Edited May 17, 2016 by kapteenipirk

[Columbia]

7 minutes ago, kapteenipirk said:

If you ask me, you should just post pone the film until everything is done (ships, aircrafts, etc) and once everything works (aka mods).

This is a pretty bad time for making these kind of things cause mods are getting updated and things are broken here and there after a big update to a new engine.

So, I suggest opting for an apology at the start of the video, given the circumstances im pretty sure they will understand that why it's late.

But, of-course there will be those who think these kind of things can be done in a day.

As for KerbPaint, it might take quite a long time till it gets properly fixed. (I have been following it for quite along time now)

Yeah, May 24 is a bit ambitious IMO. I was actually expecting it to be done by July 

How does Prince of Wales run in 1.0.5? Bismarck's low part count version is 605 parts - pretty sane, you could use that and make a low part count version of Prinz Eugen too, if you could. In total those would be about 1200, let's say 1400 parts to be safe.

Edited May 17, 2016 by Columbia