What's going to happen to the Rocket Part Revamp?

[Temeter]

EDIT, small update: Nestor did comment comment on what's up with Porkjet: Porkie already left a few weeks ago because he went to a new job.

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Fairly straightforward: Porkjet, who was doing the revamp, either decided to leave or was let go by Squad. So what's going to happen to the part revamp now? It would be quite disappointing to see it get dropped after so much teasing. And, of course, considering the current models are quite outdated and not at all on the level of more recent assets. Including the PBR shader thing; it would be nice if at least mods could use some actually good light effects, not just the antique shaders of current KSP.

And if continued, can the level of quality and style stay intact without him?

 

Edited October 6, 2016 by Temeter

[Majorjim!]

I imagine Squad now owns the models he made so there is no reason for them not to be released. Unless Porkjet protected himself and he owns the models then nope. They will likely just be a mod in that case but I imagine he had to sign something saying that Squad would own anything he made whilst employed by them.

[Temeter]

9 minutes ago, Majorjim! said:

I imagine Squad now owns the models he made so there is no reason for them not to be released. Unless Porkjet protected himself and he owns the models then nope. They will likely just be a mod in that case but I imagine he had to sign something saying that Squad would own anything he made whilst employed by them.

Well, I'd absolutely assume Squad owns the models. Porkjet worked as a contractor.

The thing is, the overhaul wasn't done, the devnote annoucing their release said quite clearly it still had a long way to go.

[temporalExile]

So since Porkjet is leaving, what will become of the planned part overhaul? Is it cancelled?

[Guest]

Probably. That would explain why they released what they have. Porkjet may decide to take on some modding at this point, but who knows how he feels about that after all this time.

[teag2]

I hope that it isn't cancelled, I really love the new parts.

[Spartwo]

Thing is that squad has made a habit of implementing mods so why wouldn't they have just contracted another modder who has already done a stock part overhaul?

 

 

[Kerbart]

Time will tell. The events of yesterday do put the release of those parts in a different light. But that can also be a coincidence. 

If Squad wants to start selling expansion packs yet at the same time keep improving/expanding the game with updates (as a great value proposition) this would be exactly the "selling point" for the 1.3 update. It's not enough to ask money for, yet it has enough beef to warrant releasing an update and “prove” that the game continues to be updated/expanded for free, without making “dot updates” mere bug fixes.

[Red Iron Crown]

Merged threads on the same topic.

[problemecium]

Ven's is certainly more complete, but I like what I've seen so far of Porkjet's better. The parts are more than just more HD versions of the existing ones, and they're designed to make use of the shader improvements and new part configuration features of KSP 1.2.
I really hope Porkjet finishes the engine revamp, at least as a mod.

[Gaarst]

On the PartOverhauls folder licence:

These parts are by Porkjet / SQUAD. License CC-BY-NC 3.0

And there's nothing on the big picture with the overhaul plans.

If Squad drops the parts overhauls, then a modder certainly will use them back. Even if they change the licence on any future work on these parts, licences aren't retroactive so the folder you can download now will always be free to use.

Also, as parts are licenced by PorkJet and Squad, one of them cannot redistribute them for commercial profit. Since PJ left, Squad will not be able to make a paid DLC with these.

 

Edit: PorkJet is still credited as the parts author in the cfgs, so there's that too.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Gaarst

[monstah]

1 minute ago, Gaarst said:

On the PartOverhauls folder licence:

These parts are by Porkjet / SQUAD. License CC-BY-NC 3.0

And there's nothing on the big picture with the overhaul plans.

If Squad drops the parts overhauls, then a modder certainly will use them back. Even if they change the licence on any future work on these parts, licences aren't retroactive so the folder you can download now will always be free to use.

Also, as parts are licenced by PorkJet and Squad, one of them cannot redistribute them for commercial profit. Since PJ left, Squad will not be able to make a paid DLC with these.

Thanks, Jolly Jello  

[Renegrade]

Yeah, I'd really like to know what Squad's future plans are for those components.

They were quite spiffy looking, but only covered the early 1.25m stuff ...

[Temeter]

1 hour ago, Gaarst said:

On the PartOverhauls folder licence:

These parts are by Porkjet / SQUAD. License CC-BY-NC 3.0

And there's nothing on the big picture with the overhaul plans.

If Squad drops the parts overhauls, then a modder certainly will use them back. Even if they change the licence on any future work on these parts, licences aren't retroactive so the folder you can download now will always be free to use.

Also, as parts are licenced by PorkJet and Squad, one of them cannot redistribute them for commercial profit. Since PJ left, Squad will not be able to make a paid DLC with these.

 

Edit: PorkJet is still credited as the parts author in the cfgs, so there's that too.

Thanks, that's interesting. Guess they did that extra so modders could do stuff with those parts without worrying about licenses. Cool move on part of squad.

Edited October 5, 2016 by Temeter

[Frozen_Heart]

99% certain the part overhaul is dead in the water. 

[Basto]

2 hours ago, Frozen_Heart said:

99% certain the part overhaul is dead in the water. 

Based on what? Goat bones and entrails?  Comments like this are not useful unless you have some credible information to back it up. 

Edited October 5, 2016 by Basto

[Spartwo]

Parts of the revamp being released as a mod, Porkjet leaving squad, and the revamp not being included in 1.2 bar a change to the single direction RCS port.

[Frozen_Heart]

47 minutes ago, Basto said:

Based on what? Goat bones and entrails?  Comments like this are not useful unless you have some credible information to back it up. 

Well they have 3 devs left, one of which is the community manager. Like it or not but you need a team of devs for this kind of thing. At the very least it will be delayed by many months.

[Jarin]

Really, the biggest thing isn't the parts, but the new functionality with the multiple engine models. Can't wait for modders to pick that up and run with it.

[tg626]

To me the biggest issue is the STYLE of them.  He managed to strike a balance of stock / detail that others have not. Ven's parts are nice for sure but like KW they are actually too good, too detailed to mesh visually with the latter day stock parts.

I'd like to have seen his take on the mk1-2 pod given his better mk1.  A set of 2.5 meter updated engines and perhaps a new one (as he did for the 1.25m engines) would be great, as would new 2.5m tanks - those grey ones look out if place to me.

[klgraham1013]

I'm going back to NecroBones, I suppose.

[storm6436]

Honestly, out of all the brouhaha...  This is the first question I really want answered.   Don't get me wrong, I liked the new plane parts, but I don't do a lot of spaceplane design...  And I was really looking forward to a rocket revamp of the same degree.   When it comes to the smaller parts, I've been using much the same parts since...   Before there was a Mun.    What little I've had time to see of the "new"  parts had me very happy and I'll be quite cross if this just gets dropped. 

 For the curious, the second and only other real question I'd like answered is "What about the graphics revamp for 1.3?" 

Edited October 6, 2016 by storm6436

[mcirish3]

I am just so terribly confused?  Does anyone have any answers?  Why the mass exodus followed by promises of future work.  Are they stonewalling or telling the truth?  Why would all the devs leave at once, especially since many of them are mission critical?  I have lots of questions does anyone have answers?  I leave to play Minecraft with my daughter for a few months and come back to this.

Edited October 6, 2016 by mcirish3

[Jarin]

2 hours ago, mcirish3 said:

I am just so terribly confused?

So are we all.

2 hours ago, mcirish3 said:

Does anyone have any answers?

Nope.

2 hours ago, mcirish3 said:

 Are they stonewalling or telling the truth?

If you're surprised by radio silence at the slightest controversy, you must be new here.

2 hours ago, mcirish3 said:

Why would all the devs leave at once, especially since many of them are mission critical?

Best theory so far is that this was the end of a contract period, and thus the best opportunity.

2 hours ago, mcirish3 said:

I have lots of questions does anyone have answers?

I wouldn't hold your breath for ever getting straight answers. Previous problems have gone completely unaddressed (beta, anybody?), I don't expect this will be any different.

[mcirish3]

6 hours ago, Jarin said:

 

If you're surprised by radio silence at the slightest controversy, you must be new here.

 

 

Been here longer than you I am afraid.