tater Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 4 hours ago, DDE said: The date under Obama was 2024, mind you; and DSG existed in some form for a decade. I'm really annoyed at all the coverage slyly implying that Trump is out to destroy the ISS. Yeah, the same happened under Obama WRT Shuttle. Shuttle's cancellation was set during W's Admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 The ISS is overly expensive, old, and unneeded, especially by 2025. Remember, Bigelow Aerospace is quietly building a much cheaper station in 2020. Remember, it costs 150 billion, versus the 10 billion estimate for a moon base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, DAL59 said: ...10 billion estimate for a moon base. Whose estimate was that again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 https://www.universetoday.com/128011/moonbase-2022-10-billion-says-nasa/ 1 hour ago, Canopus said: Whose estimate was that again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 A Bigelow is about a billion $ (+- a few hundred million), I think. And one launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 Spoiler 19 hours ago, DAL59 said: How many billions are in one williamion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekL1963 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 12:01 PM, DAL59 said: Remember, Bigelow Aerospace is quietly building a much cheaper station in 2020. Bigelow has been "planning" to launch a station for about a decade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 6 hours ago, DerekL1963 said: Bigelow has been "planning" to launch a station for about a decade now. They have an actual contract though. They didn't launch earlier because they were waiting on the Dragon to be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DAL59 said: They didn't launch earlier because they were waiting on the Dragon to be built. IIRC their station projects long predate SpaceX. They bought TransHab tech from NASA in 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 30, 2018 Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, DAL59 said: They have an actual contract though. They didn't launch earlier because they were waiting on the Dragon to be built. Only for BEAM. They were supposed to (internally, no contracts) have two B330s ready for launch last year (didn't happen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekL1963 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 hours ago, DDE said: IIRC their station projects long predate SpaceX. They bought TransHab tech from NASA in 2000. You recall correctly. Bigelow even offered a prize for the first team to demonstrate a reusable manned capsule back in 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Augustus_ Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, tater said: LOL, like it even matters. You could launch all of these CubeSats on a Falcon 9 and it'd probably be cheaper than the #*^(@ adapter. Edited January 31, 2018 by _Augustus_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, _Augustus_ said: LOL, like it even matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insert_name Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 hours ago, tater said: At least it will land something on the moon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMOTENASHI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canopus Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, _Augustus_ said: LOL, like it even matters. You could launch all of these CubeSats on a Falcon 9 and it'd probably be cheaper than the #*^(@ adapter. Falcon 9 would need a payload to go to the moon first. I‘m actually really excited for some of these secondary payloads. NEA Scout for example is a cool little mission. Edited January 31, 2018 by Canopus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 hours ago, Canopus said: Falcon 9 would need a payload to go to the moon first. I‘m actually really excited for some of these secondary payloads. NEA Scout for example is a cool little mission. True, but a rideshare on a multi-billion dollar ride is still expensive, though I don't know how they assign cost to those, or if they are "free." EM-1 is like a 40 billion dollar flight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 13 is a lot of cubesats to go up all at once! Maybe they will just have a drone swarm shadowing the Orion, taking glamour shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Augustus_ Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 hours ago, tater said: EM-1 is like a 40 billion dollar flight. All to test a not-fully-functional version of a 1970s rocket and an unmanned, over budget, delayed Apollo CSM on steroids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 16 hours ago, _Augustus_ said: All to test a not-fully-functional version of a 1970s rocket Late 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 57 minutes ago, DDE said: Late 1980s. Speaking of Energia, is it truly dead, or there are some plans or propositions to make it fly again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 hour ago, sh1pman said: Speaking of Energia, is it truly dead, or there are some plans or propositions to make it fly again? The technological base to produce the RD-0120 motors is largely gone, presumably so is the 7 m diameter manufacturing facility at Progress with its unique electron beam welding robots. There's occasional chestbeating, but nothing credible. Some of the newer rocket designs are named Energia, but it's generally a massive mess in the wake of intense competition pre-Crimea. Progress seemed poised to bring back the RD-0120 core stage with methalox strap-ons, while Krunichev produced Energia-5KV with a first stage of four RD-170s strapped together, or a four + one mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Yay! More nothing! http://www.executivegov.com/2018/02/nasa-concludes-structural-qualification-tests-on-sls-engine-section/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Qualification tests are not nothing, they are progress. SpaceX tests during flights. We don;t get tweets about every Raptor test, etc. BO is even more circumspect. The government has to be more transparent. They move forward, they attempt to hit their milestones. I'm clearly not an SLS fan, but that doesn't mean that it's a piece of junk. My dislike has more to do with opportunity costs (if the $$ could somehow be diverted, which of course it cannot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaturnianBlue Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Is SLS basically being developed at the worst time? It's being developed too early for the commercial rockets of similar size to enter service, but too late to really get much "use" out of it before it commercial launches start taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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