kerbiloid Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Spoiler Ok, then ifrit. Or iFrit, to look modern. Edited July 25, 2019 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVaughan Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Regarding used crew Dragons. I wonder what the market is like for orbital space tourism? Used booster, new second stage, used crew dragon, 5-7 passengers at maybe $10-20 million per seat? Life support should be adequate for them to stay over 8+ hours in space. To me that would be more attractive than Blue Origin's or Virgin Galactic's sub-orbital flight with only a few minutes of weightlessness, even if it was 2 or 3 times the price. (Not that I have even $100,000 spare anyway). This wouldn't need to be a long term program, just for however many years it takes until they have a manned starship version available as an alternative. (That could be a few years, even if starship + superheavy make a success test flight next year). Commercial passenger flights to ISS is another possibility. SpaceX can probably undercut other bidders there, and might be able to re-use crew Dragon that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 47 minutes ago, AVaughan said: Regarding used crew Dragons. I wonder what the market is like for orbital space tourism? Used booster, new second stage, used crew dragon, 5-7 passengers at maybe $10-20 million per seat? Life support should be adequate for them to stay over 8+ hours in space. To me that would be more attractive than Blue Origin's or Virgin Galactic's sub-orbital flight with only a few minutes of weightlessness, even if it was 2 or 3 times the price. (Not that I have even $100,000 spare anyway). This wouldn't need to be a long term program, just for however many years it takes until they have a manned starship version available as an alternative. (That could be a few years, even if starship + superheavy make a success test flight next year). Commercial passenger flights to ISS is another possibility. SpaceX can probably undercut other bidders there, and might be able to re-use crew Dragon that way. Used f9 is somewhere between 50 to 67 million, divide that by 6 is ~10 million per person. We don't know exactly how much a Crew Dragon cost. However, NASA pays 56 million per seat I think, and about a third or a quarter goes to paperworks. Launch cost per person will likely be 30-40 million, at least. Maybe in the upper 20s if you risk a used Crew Dragon. How much more for insuramce is still a big factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Reusing a Crew Dragon spacecraft shouldn't be a problem, if the spacecraft is meticulously inspected (and refurbished if necessary) between each flight. Even just flying each spacecraft twice would probably reduce the cost of flying regular crew rotations by a significant amount. Of course, NASA also stands for Nice And Safe Attitude, so they may just not allow crewed spacecraft to be reused at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Reusing a Crew Dragon spacecraft shouldn't be a problem, if the spacecraft is meticulously inspected (and refurbished if necessary) between each flight. Even just flying each spacecraft twice would probably reduce the cost of flying regular crew rotations by a significant amount. Of course, NASA also stands for Nice And Safe Attitude, so they may just not allow crewed spacecraft to be reused at all. If Crew Dragon reuse indeed turns out to be safe and all, they might permit such a use. Like they permit used boosters for launching stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 hours ago, AVaughan said: Used booster, new second stage, used crew dragon, 5-7 passengers at maybe $10-20 million per seat? To me that would be more attractive than Blue Origin's or Virgin Galactic's sub-orbital flight with only a few minutes of weightlessness, even if it was 2 or 3 times the price. Huh? You think $10-20M is "2 or 3 times" the price that Virgin or Sheppard will be charging? I don't know what they will be charging exactly, but I'm pretty sure $10-20M is more like 20-100x the price. 50 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Reusing a Crew Dragon spacecraft shouldn't be a problem, if the spacecraft is meticulously inspected (and refurbished if necessary) between each flight. Even just flying each spacecraft twice would probably reduce the cost of flying regular crew rotations by a significant amount. Of course, NASA also stands for Nice And Safe Attitude, so they may just not allow crewed spacecraft to be reused at all. As far as I know, everyone is expecting the CST-100 to be reused. It's the saltwater landing factor that is the big problem for Crew Dragon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: As far as I know, everyone is expecting the CST-100 to be reused. It's the saltwater landing factor that is the big problem for Crew Dragon. It would have been easier to reuse Crew Dragon when it was expected to propulsively land...on a landing pad, you wouldn't have to worry about saltwater causing problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakaydos Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 hours ago, kerbiloid said: Hide contents Ok, then ifrit. Or iFrit, to look modern. Fun fact... Ifrit and Efreet are the same word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikegarrison said: Huh? You think $10-20M is "2 or 3 times" the price that Virgin or Sheppard will be charging? I don't know what they will be charging exactly, but I'm pretty sure $10-20M is more like 20-100x the price. 1 New Shepard seat is $200,000..? Edited July 25, 2019 by Xd the great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Xd the great said: 1 New Shepard seat is $200,000..? I doubt it, but that could be on the high range I suppose. I'm guessing a lot lower, actually. More like $10-25K. I mean, they expect a reasonable number of people to actually buy these seats. I've seen other people guess $50K. Edited July 25, 2019 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: I doubt it, but that could be on the high range I suppose. I'm guessing a lot lower, actually. More like $10-25K. I mean, they expect a reasonable number of people to actually buy these seats. I've seen other people guess $50K. They say it is $250,000 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/7/13/17567872/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-space-tourism-price-ticket Still, a heafty price to pay for 5 min of 0G and an astronaut badge. At least Starship point to point will be cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) Oops, forgot that was posted last night. ^^^ Edited July 25, 2019 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, Xd the great said: They say it is $250,000 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2018/7/13/17567872/jeff-bezos-blue-origin-space-tourism-price-ticket Still, a heafty price to pay for 5 min of 0G and an astronaut badge. At least Starship point to point will be cheaper. Well, if so then I'm way off. I have my doubts how many tickets they could possibly sell at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjolcz Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 What's with the -1 thing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, Wjolcz said: What's with the -1 thing? Ask him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Well, if so then I'm way off. I have my doubts how many tickets they could possibly sell at that price. They say they have 600 bookings. Some people (not me) are just rich and can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Xd the great said: They say they have 600 bookings. Some people (not me) are just rich and can't wait. I guess. You can buy about about 25 hours of private jet service for that. But a lot of times, stuff like flying around in a private jet is written off as a business expense. I don't see how this could be. If they make a flight a month, I suppose 600 seats would be almost 10 years of flying. But it still seems like it leaves the service in the "novelty for the super-rich" classification. Edited July 25, 2019 by mikegarrison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Well, if so then I'm way off. I have my doubts how many tickets they could possibly sell at that price. I've seen numbers all over the place, and BO is being (typically) close-mouthed about it. Seems like if they were smart, they'd undercut or at least match Virgin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nightside Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Wjolcz said: What's with the -1 thing? Yesterday he was ln(e), so maybe he is in a bad mood today. Spoiler Ln(e) =1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Starship Launch System. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Well... that’s one way to get SLS off the pad by 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 That is some epic trolling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Just now, CatastrophicFailure said: Well... that’s one way to get SLS off the pad by 2020. Apply sound suppression system to rocket exhaust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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