Spaceception Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 (edited) How many projects are they working on? New Shepard, New Glenn, General Engine Development for internal vehicles (and Vulcan), Orbital Reef, Blue Moon, Integrated Lander Vehicle, Blue Alchemist, Crew Capsule (?) I doubt they want to rely long-term on other crewed vehicles with lower cadences/tied up with other contracts, and they could be loosely drawing experience from the NS capsule like with the BE-3 engine, New Armstrong (?) Wouldn't surprise me honestly, They're pretty much setting themselves up to quickly bootstrap a cislunar economy like ULA has talked about. 10k employees doesn't sound too crazy in that light, but the longer it takes New Glenn to become operational, the more likely it'll be a bottleneck to their projects. Edited May 6, 2023 by Spaceception Rewording Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, Spaceception said: How many projects are they working on? Too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, tater said: Too many. Much like KSP career, one mustn't mistake contract advances for income and simply get a lot of contracts. Contracts can expire and the real success is in contract completion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted May 6, 2023 Share Posted May 6, 2023 13 hours ago, darthgently said: Much like KSP career, one mustn't mistake contract advances for income and simply get a lot of contracts. Contracts can expire and the real success is in contract completion And unlike KSP, there is competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royalswissarmyknife Posted May 14, 2023 Share Posted May 14, 2023 That looks like it was made by a water tower company!1!1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Interesting design on the header tank there… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 5/6/2023 at 2:36 AM, Spaceception said: How many projects are they working on? New Shepard, New Glenn, General Engine Development for internal vehicles (and Vulcan), Orbital Reef, Blue Moon, Integrated Lander Vehicle, Blue Alchemist, Crew Capsule (?) I doubt they want to rely long-term on other crewed vehicles with lower cadences/tied up with other contracts, and they could be loosely drawing experience from the NS capsule like with the BE-3 engine, New Armstrong (?) Wouldn't surprise me honestly, They're pretty much setting themselves up to quickly bootstrap a cislunar economy like ULA has talked about. 10k employees doesn't sound too crazy in that light, but the longer it takes New Glenn to become operational, the more likely it'll be a bottleneck to their projects. There's also Clipper, Project JARVIS, their Next Generation Space Transportation System (Which I would assume is or is closely related to New Armstrong), and a few other things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) and speaking of a Blue capsule, confirmation from SOMD that Blue are in fact still working on a crew vehicle also Orbital Reef PDR is scheduled for FY2024 Edited May 16, 2023 by Barzon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Optimistic timelines given the dearth of evidence of progress to date. Would be great for it all to come together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, darthgently said: Optimistic timelines given the dearth of evidence of progress to date. Would be great for it all to come together Not sure what you mean, this is a station so most of the development is not going to be highly visible like say, Starship, & they did say they completed SRR in April last year - https://www.orbitalreef.com/news/srr-milestone Edited May 17, 2023 by Barzon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat20999 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 20 hours ago, Barzon said: and speaking of a Blue capsule, confirmation from SOMD that Blue are in fact still working on a crew vehicle also Orbital Reef PDR is scheduled for FY2024 There is also gonna be a new spacex space station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Pat20999 said: There is also gonna be a new spacex space station. What you're thinking of is the Vast station, which is not being built by SpaceX, although SpaceX do have fairly significant involvement in it. Nonetheless, this is the Blue Origin thread, not the SpaceX or Vast threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Barzon said: Not sure what you mean, this is a station so most of the development is not going to be highly visible like say, Starship, & they did say they completed SRR in April last year - https://www.orbitalreef.com/news/srr-milestone What I mean is physical construction and testing and delivery. Actual measurable progress. All kinds of progress could be, and was, claimed about the BE-4 engines for example, but actual delivery of reliable engines, was a far better and inherently transparent measure of progress than design meetings and reviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat20999 Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Barzon said: What you're thinking of is the Vast station, which is not being built by SpaceX, although SpaceX do have fairly significant involvement in it. Nonetheless, this is the Blue Origin thread, not the SpaceX or Vast threads. I know, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, darthgently said: What I mean is physical construction and testing and delivery. Actual measurable progress. All kinds of progress could be, and was, claimed about the BE-4 engines for example, but actual delivery of reliable engines, was a far better and inherently transparent measure of progress than design meetings and reviews You don't start building something before you finish designing it. not in this development style. Edited May 17, 2023 by Barzon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Barzon said: You don't start building something before you finish designing it. not in this development style. Maybe Jarvis has a less "old space" dev model? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted May 17, 2023 Share Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Barzon said: You don't start building something before you finish designing it. not in this development style. Toh-may-toh, toh-mah-toh. Both measures are important. But delivered hardware walks the talk. Nothing really to argue about from my view Edited May 17, 2023 by darthgently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 17 hours ago, tater said: Maybe Jarvis has a less "old space" dev model? I was assuming darthgently was talking about Orbital Reef. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Interesting. Toroidal tanks with a pass through for crew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, tater said: Interesting. Toroidal tanks with a pass through for crew? No pass through. More detail on the lander: Height: 16m Diameter: <6.2m Dry Mass: 16t Wet Mass: 45t> 4 crew capable, anywhere on the Moon, day or night. Cargo config can do 20t reused, 30t expendable. Basic CONOPS are that it launches to LEO, flies itself to NRHO, then the cislunar transporter is launched to LEO on New Glenn and refuelled, and flies to NRHO to refuel Blue Moon. It can stay in NRHO as needed, or return to Earth orbit. Edited May 19, 2023 by Barzon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 Top is tank. Bottom is indeed crew volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 (edited) Vast improvement on their previous effort. Crew cabin at the bottom, no disposable crasher stages, vastly cheaper, and enables refuelable hydrolox architectures. SLS/Orion with two refuelable architectures in play: Edited May 19, 2023 by RCgothic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 2 hours ago, RCgothic said: Vast improvement on their previous effort. Crew cabin at the bottom, no disposable crasher stages, vastly cheaper, and enables refuelable hydrolox architectures. SLS/Orion with two refuelable architectures in play: Yeah, now if either human landing system of record succeeds, SLS/Orion is a dead man walking. Any lunar lander that can fly itself from LEO to the lunar surface, AND can also be refilled, can fly back to LEO. That means All we need is commercial crew, plus lander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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