kerbiloid Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Rogozin said it would be in sun-synchronous orbit (97°-98°). Wiki and the neftegaz article tell about 64.8, so idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 We need a distraction. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) The famous Shield-2! Upd, Does that "Spin Stabilisation System" screw into the space vacuum??? Edited April 22, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 5 hours ago, DDE said: is it the transfer compartment to the Soyuz port aft, or the spherical unit fore with three ports? Corrected. There arer two transfer chambers, and it's unclear in which exactly. Spoiler https://soldier-moskva.livejournal.com/485452.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 8 hours ago, kerbiloid said: It's active docking port, the probe one. Nothing will dock to it. Why is it here? Why the module is not arrached to the spherical node module with it? Watching For All Mankind and seeing again the controversy over active/passive docking ports for Apollo-Soyuz (which I think is historically accurate), there may be some, er, virile symbolism here, given the current state of geopolitics... 9 hours ago, kerbiloid said: And based on the current leakage rate of Zvezda, before the station gets ready, the Zvezda transfer chamber will just get non-pressurizable, and ISS will anyway be consisting of two separated segments. And the geopolitical symbolism continues, if perhaps unintentional. 6 hours ago, kerbiloid said: troll the 'Muricans in their Shackleton base, Let’s hope life does not imitate art... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, CatastrophicFailure said: Watching For All Mankind and seeing again the controversy over active/passive docking ports for Apollo-Soyuz (which I think is historically accurate), there may be some, er, virile symbolism here, given the current state of geopolitics... 4 all mankind is a faery tale, while Nauka is equipped with active part "hybride docking adaptor", connecting to the passive adaptor of same type. It's a combination of wide hard-capture docking ring from IDSS and a probe like Mir modules had, and it's on the picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 22, 2021 Author Share Posted April 22, 2021 (edited) FAM had promise, but it totally jumped the shark for me. Also: Spoiler Spoiler Going for the tourist market? Edited April 22, 2021 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted April 22, 2021 Share Posted April 22, 2021 59 minutes ago, tater said: Going for the tourist market? I've noticed they mentioned an "industrial" module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 23, 2021 Author Share Posted April 23, 2021 3 hours ago, DDE said: I've noticed they mentioned an "industrial" module. Will FEDOR get an upgrade? Spoiler (Hard to find a safe image from Barbarella) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 8 hours ago, tater said: Going for the tourist market? Somewhere at those links they say that the tourism is possible, but would be limited with one module. Interesting. Will the crew toilet be inside the tourist's room, or will the tourist get from the romm to the toilet with closed eyes, or will the tourist follow the Apollo practice with plastic bags and beautiful liquid ejection to feel a real space wolf. 7 hours ago, DDE said: I've noticed they mentioned an "industrial" module. No problem. Industrial tourism. 4 hours ago, tater said: Will FEDOR get an upgrade? Will. They told, that the new station will be eqipped with robots, and next Fedor will be legless. Spoiler And live in the inflatable module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 (edited) Btw, about that Shield-2 and Almaz's OPS in whole. Has anybody posted the whole video? In Russian, but the words don't matter when the pictures are nice. Spoiler Edited April 23, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 23, 2021 Share Posted April 23, 2021 https://www.interfax.ru/world/762994 The Executive Director for Perspective Projects and Science of Roscosmos, Alexander Bloshenko stated that Russia may keep supporting its segment of ISS if USA will be financially supporting that. He said that maybe the Russian cosmonauts will be visiting the new orbital station and the Russian segment of ISS (on American ships). Earlier Rogozin had stated that after the Russians have left ISS, the responsibility of the former Russian segment keeping will lie on the partners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 16 hours ago, kerbiloid said: https://www.interfax.ru/world/762994 The Executive Director for Perspective Projects and Science of Roscosmos, Alexander Bloshenko stated that Russia may keep supporting its segment of ISS if USA will be financially supporting that. He said that maybe the Russian cosmonauts will be visiting the new orbital station and the Russian segment of ISS (on American ships). Earlier Rogozin had stated that after the Russians have left ISS, the responsibility of the former Russian segment keeping will lie on the partners. He's not saying outright that they can't afford to maintain or replace their ISS segments, and are using the plans for a new station as an empty threat to leave, in a hope that it will make the Americans pay for their upkeep, but it certainly sounds a lot like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 24, 2021 Share Posted April 24, 2021 7 minutes ago, Codraroll said: He's not saying outright that they can't afford to maintain or replace their ISS segments, and are using the plans for a new station as an empty threat to leave, in a hope that it will make the Americans pay for their upkeep, but it certainly sounds a lot like that. The Russian segment is a basement of ISS (historically). So, after they have built a skyscraper on top, they still have to pay for its keeping in either way. Otherwise it will leak, and who knows what mutated creatures can evolve there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXBLOX Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 Just watched Scott Manley's most recent video. He discussed how the ISS was primarily a move by America to ensure that potentially unemployed Soviet/Russian rocket scientists would be employed by Russia, and not, say, North Korea. Then he connected that to the fact that the Russian space industry has been receiving a lot of money by launching people on Soyuz. The fact that that is drying up, he says, is very likely the drive behind this comment about getting America and company to pay for the Russian segment's upkeep. IDK, kinda interesting. Never heard the part about keeping the aerospace people out of mischief before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 And the fact that Mir was visited by greater amount of astronauts than cosmonauts when US didn't have an orbital station since Skylab, is probably also just to keep the Mir crew employed, as the rocket builders had a little to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: And the fact that Mir was visited by greater amount of astronauts than cosmonauts when US didn't have an orbital station since Skylab, is probably also just to keep the Mir crew employed, as the rocket builders had a little to do with it. Spoiler It was to employ American astronauts who would otherwise go to North Korean space stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 https://www.interfax.ru/russia/763141 Roscosmos CEO Dmitri Rogozin has denied that Roscosmos is negotiating with NASA about Russian cosmonauts flights on CrewDragons, because "why, when we have our own vessels?" That was in response of the yesterday message from the Roscosmos spokesman Vladimir Ustimenko that Roscosmos is negotiating on that subject. Earlier the Roscosmos executive director for crewed programs Sergei Krikalyov stated that Roscosmos stays for the such negotiations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXBLOX Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 8 hours ago, kerbiloid said: And the fact that Mir was visited by greater amount of astronauts than cosmonauts when US didn't have an orbital station since Skylab, is probably also just to keep the Mir crew employed, as the rocket builders had a little to do with it. Ha ha. That's actually because the Shuttle carried seven people, while Soyuz only has three. A bigger capsule for the Soviets would have changed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, SOXBLOX said: Ha ha. That's actually because the Shuttle carried seven people, while Soyuz only has three. A bigger capsule for the Soviets would have changed that. Why at all Shuttles were docking? I mean, Shuttles can lift payloads (definitely not about Mir), carry SpaceLab (also Mir is not required), deliver modules or cargo (Mir is still not an aim). Why did they add the Buran's docking adaptor to Shuttle and were visiting Mir not once? Wasn't Mir that what gave a purpose for a ten shuttle flights more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) https://www.interfax.ru/russia/763169 Roscosmos stated that the new Russian orbital station will be completed in 2035. Phase 1: 2025..2030 Phase 2: 2030..2035 *** The station is also mentioned as ROKS (Russian Orbital Kosmic Station) or ROSS (Russian Orbital Service Station) *** Btw, they are updating the wiki these days. They added a video (in Russian) with something looking like a module and the posters with phases of with the station development (on video behind the spokespersons). https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Национальная_орбитальная_космическая_станция Spoiler Edited April 25, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 hours ago, kerbiloid said: Roscosmos stated that the new Russian orbital station will be completed in 2035. 9-14 years? When is first launch scheduled? Also: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, tater said: 9-14 years? When is first launch scheduled? If omit the unclear status of Nauka in this project (to be launched this summer), then the NEM launch was planned on late 2025. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted April 25, 2021 Author Share Posted April 25, 2021 3 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: If omit the unclear status of Nauka in this project (to be launched this summer), then the NEM launch was planned on late 2025. Somehow I missed that. So would Nauka will be the first element of the new station instead of going to ISS? (sorry if I'm being dimwitted here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted April 25, 2021 Share Posted April 25, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, tater said: Somehow I missed that. So would Nauka will be the first element of the new station instead of going to ISS? It was planned first for Mir-2, then for ISS, then mentioned as a part of the new station and is painted on the old schemes at the opposite end from NEM. On the paintings its sharp end is equipped with the probe (i.e. male) docking adapter, so nothing can dock to there. So, probably at some moment it was planned to be a starting point, to be undocked from ISS later. But if look at the new station posters in the video, it looks like there will be two similar NEM. In Russian wiki it's now absent in the new station description. The five-year interval between the planned launches of Nauka and NEM looks weird if they are parts of same whole. So, looks like Nauka is now not a part of the new station, though who knows how many times this can change else. P.S. Or maybe it's one of the uncaptioned perpendicular modules on the posters. Then the new station has grown and now requires two NEMs for power. Edited April 25, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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