[1.5 - 1.12.5] BetterSRBs [v1.2.6] [30 June 2021]

[OhioBob]

UPDATE

Version 1.0.5

Added support for RLA Reborn.

[vardicd]

51 minutes ago, OhioBob said:

UPDATE

Version 1.0.5

Added support for RLA Reborn.

Yay! Thanks.

[Bej Kerman]

On 9/20/2018 at 1:00 PM, Aeroboi said:

So this reduces the need for MOAR boosters and is more realistic? Terrific

Slander, there are always MOAR boosters!

[Tyko]

Thanks for creating this! The thrust curves make such a huge difference   

[OhioBob]

UPDATE

Version 1.0.6

• Added support for ReStockPlus.
• Miscellaneous config updates and fixes.

See opening post for download link and instructions.
 

Edited March 25, 2019 by OhioBob

[Tyko]

3 hours ago, OhioBob said:

UPDATE

Version 1.0.6

• Added support for ReStockPlus.
• Miscellaneous config updates and fixes.

See opening post for download link and instructions.
 

Great Timing!!!

[vardicd]

@OhioBob I noticed that restock/restock+ SRBs, the RT-1 Mallet and RT-2 striker don't get the improved thrust, and performance fall off, despite the update to support Restock/restock+ is this an oversight, or did you decide to not add performance changes to the restock SRB's? I've downloaded the latest version form github that says restock/restock+ compatible, and the affects are showing up on all the other SRB's that I've tested.

EDIT: It also seems that better SRB's removed the gimbals that restock added to some of the stock SRB's that got a makeover under restock. Same test craft, with Better SRBs removed, and you can see the gimbal module on the RT-10 Hammer, which is missing above.

Edited April 7, 2019 by vardicd

[OhioBob]

2 hours ago, vardicd said:

@OhioBob I noticed that restock/restock+ SRBs, the RT-1 Mallet and RT-2 striker don't get the improved thrust, and performance fall off, despite the update to support Restock/restock+ is this an oversight, or did you decide to not add performance changes to the restock SRB's? I've downloaded the latest version form github that says restock/restock+ compatible, and the affects are showing up on all the other SRB's that I've tested.

EDIT: It also seems that better SRB's removed the gimbals that restock added to some of the stock SRB's that got a makeover under restock. Same test craft, with Better SRBs removed, and you can see the gimbal module on the RT-10 Hammer, which is missing above.

The ReStockPlus configs included in BetterSRBs were provided to me by the Restock guys.  I've included only what they told me to include, so if something's not there, I assume they wanted it that way.  I'm not very familiar with ReStock/ReStockPlus, so I can't talk intelligently about it.  If there is something else that you think should be included in BetterSRBs, you may need to talk to the ReStock developers about it.

Edit:  By the way, my updated says it supports ReStockPlus, not ReStock.
 

Edited April 7, 2019 by OhioBob

[vardicd]

3 minutes ago, OhioBob said:

The ReStockPlus configs included in BetterSRBs were provided to me by the Restock guys.  I've included only what they told me to include, so if something's not there, I assume they wanted it that way.  I'm not very familiar with ReStock/ReStockPlus, so I can't talk intelligently about it.  If there is something else that you thing should be included in BetterSRBs, you may need to talk to the ReStock developers about it.

Edit:  By the way, my updated says it supports ReStockPlus, not ReStock.
 

Understood.

[OhioBob]

@vardicd, I got a pull request on GitHub to add the Anvil from ReStockPlus.  I assumed it came from one of the ReStock guys, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure it was.  It could have been some third party.  The ReStock guys may not know anything about it.

 

Edited April 7, 2019 by OhioBob

[vardicd]

Just now, OhioBob said:

@vardicd, I got a pull request on GitHub to add the Anvil from ReStockPlus.  I assumed it came from one of the ReStock guys, but now that I think about it, I'm not sure it was.  It could have been some third party.  The ReStock guys may not know anything about it.

 

well, I just reposted over on the restock forum, so maybe we'll know something soon~ish

[OhioBob]

@vardicd, I just re-read you initial post and I guess I'm confused about what ReStock actually does.  I had the understanding that it did nothing but makeover the stock textures while retaining everything else about the original parts.  But now you're talking about a "Mallet" and a "Striker" and adding gimbals.  I didn't think those kinds of changes were within the scope of ReStock.

I don't really have the motivation to figure Restock out.

[vardicd]

Just now, OhioBob said:

@vardicd, I just re-read you initial post and I guess I'm confused about what ReStock actually does.  I had the understanding that it did nothing but makeover the stock textures while retaining everything else about the original parts.  But now you're talking about a "Mallet" and a "Striker" and adding gimbals.  I didn't think those kinds of changes were within the scope of ReStock.

I don't really have the motivation to figure Restock out.

Restock, to the best of my understanding retextures the stock parts, Restock+ adds a few new parts, including the mallet and striker SRB's and a few others to fill what is seen as a gap in the stockparts. It's no big deal. I was just reporting what I thought was an oversight in your mod configs. if the configs were donated by a third party, and you aren't motivated to figure it out, then no worries.

[OhioBob]

I can add the Mallet and Striker easy enough.  I just didn't know they were there.

[vardicd]

7 minutes ago, OhioBob said:

I can add the Mallet and Striker easy enough.  I just didn't know they were there.

okay, if you choose to do so, restock+ seems to add a total of 3 SRBs the third being the STS-1 'Anvil' Solid Rocket Booster (Nertea): 1.875m giant shuttle SRB

[OhioBob]

@vardicd, I've added the Mallet and Striker to the ReStockPlus config.  I haven't published a release yet.

I don't know what the deal is with gimbals.  BetterSRBs doesn't do anything with gimbals on the RT-10.  And I don't see anything in the ReStock config that adds gimbals to the RT-10.

[vardicd]

1 hour ago, OhioBob said:

@vardicd, I've added the Mallet and Striker to the ReStockPlus config.  I haven't published a release yet.

I don't know what the deal is with gimbals.  BetterSRBs doesn't do anything with gimbals on the RT-10.  And I don't see anything in the ReStock config that adds gimbals to the RT-10.

The relevant MM config is in GameData\ReStockPlus\Patches\Engine\restock-engine-srb-gimbal.cfg

I don't know if the better SRB config is somehow overwriting the restock+ config that adds gimbals, I can only say that with better SRBs there are no gimbals, but as soon as I remove the better SRB mod the gimbals return. I don't know enough about how MM works to know what's going on

Config content below:
 

Spoiler

 

// Adds gimballing to SRBs

// Kickback
@PART[MassiveBooster]:NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]
{
  MODULE
  {
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = B_Gimbal
    gimbalRange = 3
    gimbalResponseSpeed = 8
    useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
  }
}

// Thumper
@PART[solidBooster1-1]:NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]
{
  MODULE
  {
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = B_Gimbal
    gimbalRange = 3
    gimbalResponseSpeed = 8
    useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
  }
}

// Hammer
@PART[solidBooster_v2]:NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]
{
  MODULE
  {
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform
    gimbalRange = 1
    gimbalResponseSpeed = 8
    useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
  }
}

// Flea
@PART[solidBooster_sm_v2]:NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]
{
  MODULE
  {
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform
    gimbalRange = 1
    gimbalResponseSpeed = 8
    useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
  }
}

 

 

Edited April 7, 2019 by vardicd

[OhioBob]

OK, I see the problem right off the bat... NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]

That means that the gimbals are added only if BetterSRBs is not installed.  So the problem is not BetterSRBs.  Whoever wrote that MM config intended that their changes not be made if BetterSRBs is installed.  They apparently want BetterSRBs to take precedence in that case.

It's my intend with BetterSRBs that the RT-5 and RT-10 are primitive technology for which gimbaling is not yet available.  I don't introduce gimbaling until the Thumper.  I don't intend to change that.

Edit:  If you want the gimbals, then delete the :NEEDS[!BetterSRBs] part from the config.
 

Edited April 8, 2019 by OhioBob

[OhioBob]

UPDATE

Version 1.0.7

• Expanded ReStockPlus support (0.625m SRBs now included).

See opening post for download link and instructions.

[vardicd]

1 hour ago, OhioBob said:

OK, I see the problem right off the bat... NEEDS[!BetterSRBs]

That means that the gimbals are added only if BetterSRBs is not installed.  So the problem is not BetterSRBs.  Whoever wrote that MM config intended that their changes not be made if BetterSRBs is installed.  They apparently want BetterSRBs to take precedence in that case.

It's my intend with BetterSRBs that the RT-5 and RT-10 are primitive technology for which gimbaling is not yet available.  I don't introduce gimbaling until the Thumper.  I don't intend to change that.

Edit:  If you want the gimbals, then delete the :NEEDS[!BetterSRBs] part from the config.
 

Oh...okay. As someone who has zero understanding of MM configs, when the config says, :NEEDS[!BetterSRBs] its saying if better SRBs is installed the module for gimbaling WON'T be installed, not that the Gimbaling module NEEDS Better SRBs to be installed?  I do not understand, but accept the explanation. Thank you for your time on this. 

[OhioBob]

50 minutes ago, vardicd said:

Oh...okay. As someone who has zero understanding of MM configs, when the config says, :NEEDS[!BetterSRBs] its saying if better SRBs is installed the module for gimbaling WON'T be installed, not that the Gimbaling module NEEDS Better SRBs to be installed?  I do not understand, but accept the explanation. Thank you for your time on this. 

The ! means no.  If it had been NEEDS[BetterSRBs], then BetterSRBs would be required for the change to execute.

[OhioBob]

UPDATE

Version 1.0.8

• Brought back parts that got hidden in KSP 1.6 (1.875m nosecone and adapter).

See opening post for download link and instructions.

[MAV3RICK]

I really like the look of this mod - but I'm also wanting to use RealFuels with it as well. The two don't seem to be compatible at the moment, but I'm sure it's not rocket science (ha!) to make them work together. I've tried copying the asmosphereCurve and ThrustCurve text into the Stockalike_Squad.cgf file, but that doesn't work. Any thoughts much appreciated.

[OhioBob]

2 hours ago, MAV3RICK said:

I really like the look of this mod - but I'm also wanting to use RealFuels with it as well. The two don't seem to be compatible at the moment, but I'm sure it's not rocket science (ha!) to make them work together. I've tried copying the asmosphereCurve and ThrustCurve text into the Stockalike_Squad.cgf file, but that doesn't work. Any thoughts much appreciated.

I never even comtemplated BetterSRBs working with RealFuels.  I'm not very familiar with RealFuels other than generally what it is.  Without looking at it, I have no idea how to make it work.

[flack]

 

5 hours ago, MAV3RICK said:

I really like the look of this mod - but I'm also wanting to use RealFuels with it as well. The two don't seem to be compatible at the moment, but I'm sure it's not rocket science (ha!) to make them work together. I've tried copying the asmosphereCurve and ThrustCurve text into the Stockalike_Squad.cgf file, but that doesn't work. Any thoughts much appreciated.

If you are using Stockalike Engine configs you should just delete the Module manage patchs that convert the SRBs to ModuleEnginesRF and forget real fuels for them. Stockalike only use one type of solidfuel anyway so you are not losing anything by using BetterSRB instead.

In case you still want to use RF, Curves should be added under the CONFIG node like here:
 

//Star 30
//ATKPack
//Sources:
//Orbital ATK Space Propulsion Products Catalog, September 2012
@PART[*]:HAS[#engineType[Star-30]]:FOR[RealismOverhaulEngines]
{
	@title = Star 30
	%manufacturer = Thiokol
	@description = Total flown included in total for Star-30A. Diameter: [0.76 m].
	
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		modded = false
		CONFIG
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			minThrust = 30.9
			maxThrust = 30.9
			heatProduction = 100
			PROPELLANT
			{
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				ratio = 1.0
				DrawGauge = True
			}
			atmosphereCurve
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				key = 1 150
			}
			curveResource = HTPB
			thrustCurve
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}

 

Edited April 19, 2019 by flack