Chernobyl (HBO)

[Nuke]

 

33 minutes ago, lajoswinkler said:

I don't know what "cya tendency" is, but regarding the overall feeling of citizen freedom, the show did overdo it... but not a lot. Even though it's true that the openly displayed state terror diminished a lot by 1980s, the state never bothered to say it's not that brutal anymore, and the public doesn't forget easily such things.

So basically it was enough to simmer the society using strict behaviour, stories circulating, and being inhumane to criminals (extermination, torture, etc.) to keep a decent level of fear. There was always the "what if they come for me? I better not do this/that, better keep quiet." And that's just the worst poison for a society. It breeds corruption, bribery, covering up, intimidation and worse.

 

If one didn't try to meddle into politics and behaved as a good drone living in prefabricated concrete boxes, life could've been decent. But not decent in a Western style. This is where Westerners usually make a mistake - they think that decent in France is same as decent in USSR. Those are two very different decents.

I wouldn't call it golden cage because there was no open trade - one couldn't just buy some foreign import clothes, technology such as electronics was severely lacking progress (not keeping up with miniaturization of transistors, relying on bulky circuits with electronic tubes). It was a cage and it was kind of rusty, but one had daily fodder to munch on.

Also, if one did not want to be a member of the Communist party and clap at the meetings, any even remotely serious career advancing was basically impossible.

 

There was one notable exception called Yugoslavia, country of neither one of the blocks and AFAIK the only socialist country where, even though economy was planned, repression towards import and especially towards youth who wanted to sport jeans and share and create popular music - was very weak. But basic simmering I mentioned earlier was evident.

cya = cover your buttocks

its a common bit of advice you see at various places of employment i worked at (in the us even). when something goes terribly wrong, shift the blame to someone else whether or not its your fault. its actually a good piece of advice that kept me from getting fired a couple times. but its a common feature in almost every american movie about soviets. k19-the widowmaker, the death of stalin, etc. perhaps its more a human trait than a national one (since you see it in a lot of capitalist society as well). 

Edited June 15, 2019 by Nuke

[kerbiloid]

They promised to build a paradise for workers and peasants of 1920s-1930s, they had built a paradise from point of view of the workers and peasants of 1920s-1930s.
The closer you were to the workers and peasants of 1920s-1930s, the happier you were feeling yourself.

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1 hour ago, Nuke said:

cya

If compare the books and journals of different epochs, it's easy to see that the tech and pop-tech books of 1920s-early 1960s are full of pure technical information, well explained for profans.
Concentration of propaganda is clearly decreasing from 1940s to 1960s.
Books of the 1960s arer the best from pov of engineering information amount and have just traces of ideological cliches.
Pop-military books from 1930s-1960s are horribly informative compared to the 1970s-1980s ones which are mostly teethless and non-informative.

From 1960s to 1980s same engineering books (and their editions) contain less and less practical information, but more and more... no, not propaganda, but common words.

So, in 1970s-1980s (when Chernobyl) not specifically secrecy was raising, but reluctance of searching is it secret or no.
An over-detailed report about Chernobyl, it's ""before" and "inside", was unofficially available in copies between the students in my university, and nobody was even asking about it.

So, the situation when they don't give info to the Ulyana Hivemind Home-nuke looks very strange even for those years, unless this person was somebody from street requesting for confidential docs.

Also it looks very strange when Legasov explains to Shcherbina that neutrons are bullets after the world nuclear psychosis of 1950s-1970s with neutrons in every second newspaper, and after Shcherbina was a general manager of the whole Siberian oil industry creation, what included civil nuclear bursts, too.
 

Edited June 15, 2019 by kerbiloid

[lajoswinkler]

Doctor Robert Peter Gale himself, talking about the scaremongering made by HBO's crummy attempt at dealing with disaster's impact on human health.

 

(shorter version on official site of Sky News Australia here)

[lajoswinkler]

Last night I found out there has been a show called "Мотыльки" (literally: moths) AKA "Inseparable" made in Ukraine.

It also features large factual errors (ARS and ARS deaths where there were none, helicopter crashing into ventilation stack, liquidators sent to the roof mere couple of days after the accident, pet shooting, etc.) but there's also lots of overacting, which is sometimes cute and sometimes isn't.

The most interesting thing is in the video description:

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История любви выпускницы старших классов Али и солдата срочной службы Паши разворачивается на фоне одной из самых масштабных техногенных катастроф XX века - Чернобыльской аварии. Им суждено было встретиться в конце апреля 1986 года в городе Припять. Словно мотыльки, стремящиеся к огню, они летели на встречу своим чувствам, не замечая ничего вокруг. Это фильм о любви, и только о любви... Энергоблок номер 4, который фигурирует в сериале Chernobyl от HBO, создан командой студии Postmodern Digital. Изначально ассет энергоблока был разработан для мини-сериала Мотыльки (2013). Напомним, что "Мотыльки" попали в шорт-лист главной премии в индустрии визуальных эффектов - VES Awards сразу в 2 номинациях. Жанр: драма , мелодрама Тип: мини-сериал Год: 2013 Режиссер: Виталий Воробьев Продюсер: Виктор Мирский Креативный продюсер: Олеся Лукьяненко Исполнительный продюсер: Катерина Швец Оператор: Павел Кулаков Автор сценария: Валерий Мухарьямов В ролях: Мария Поезжаева, Юрий Борисов, Андрей Казаков, Юлия Рутберг, Юрий Назаров

Google translation:

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The story of the love of Ali alumni and the soldier of the emergency service of Pasha unfolds against one of the most massive man-made disasters of the 20th century - the Chernobyl accident. They were destined to meet at the end of April 1986 in the city of Pripyat. Like moths, aspiring to the fire, they flew to meet their feelings, not noticing anything around. This is a movie about love, and only about love ...

Energoblok number 4, which appears in the series Chernobyl from HBO, was created by the postmodern Digital studio team. Initially, the power assembler was designed for the mini-series Motylki (2013). Let's remind, that "Moths" have got in short list of the main prize in the industry of visual effects - VES Awards immediately in 2 nominations.

Genre: drama, melodrama
Type: mini series
Year: 2013
Director: Vitaly Vorobiev
Producer: Victor Mirsky
Creative producer: Olesya Lukyanenko
Executive Producer: Katerina Shvets
Operator: Pavel Kulakov
Scriptwriter: Valery Mukharyamov
Cast: Maria Poizhhaeva, Yuri Borisov, Andrei Kazakov, Julia Rutberg, Yuri Nazarov

 

The team was nominated in 12th annual VES awards for "Outstanding visual effects in a broadcast program".

So, if I got this correctly, the basic detailed rendering for HBO was made in 2013 for this miniseries and HBO took it and enhanced it with new textures and more postprocessing?

 

 

 

[kerbiloid]

Spoiler

Google is the best, as always.

История любви выпускницы старших классов Али и солдата срочной службы Паши

The story of the love of Ali alumni and the soldier of the emergency service of Pasha

The story of the love of Alya, a senior of high school, and Pasha, a soldier on a regular service.

 

Spoiler

The scene of the near-pipe explosion in the Moths (Мотыльки) s01e01 looks great if first watch Chernobyl: Zone of Exclusion (Чернобыль: Зона отчуждения) s01e08 and see what's happening on the opposite side, lol.

Caution: the latter is not mocumentary, just a Chernobylsploitating fiction.

Spoiler

Using btw obviously the same bunker entrance like another fiction series - Survive After (Выжить После).
Though, inside the bunkers look absolutely different.

 

 

[aliblahblah]

and here is real thing, from people who deal with real Chernobyl 

 

 

[Zoltang]

2 hours ago, aliblahblah said:

and here is real thing, from people who deal with real Chernobyl 

 

 

radiation not going away..

[aliblahblah]

Just now, Zoltang said:

radiation not going away..

radiation not going away, we are

[Akagi]

i agree

[Nuke]

i mostly worry that nuclear fear mongering is doing more harm than good. had there not been massive protests in the '70s forward, we would be a lot more ahead of the curve in regards to climate change. we would probibly still have had more growing pains when developing the technology if it was more widely adopted. but the thing is we would have solved the problems. gasoline was once considered a waste product because of its volatility, but we learned to work with it safely. rockets are a lot safer than they used to be. airliners as well, the list goes on and on. will there be long term consequences and risks, yea, but everything has risk.

 

wow this thread is old, meh, i didnt write that for nothing. post.