[1.3.1] Ferram Aerospace Research: v0.15.9.1 "Liepmann" 4/2/18

Ippo · October 25, 2014

My game crashed more with 32x, and thats when i removed taurus, before it wont work with 32x and worked PERFECT (no crashes) with 64x, and I really want FAR for 64x plz halp

I suggest you use the opengl solution, you'll be able to save a lot of memory and thus run 32 bit ksp with a lot more mods.

jrandom · October 25, 2014

Does anybody knows a good mod, that adds scramjets, I think, they were on taverius pizza...

I have just the ramjet installed from taverius combined with AJE which gets me a small set of realistic ramjets. No scramjet, though. Let me know if you find one! (I play RSS so a scramjet would actually be useful for me.)

I suggest you use the opengl solution, you'll be able to save a lot of memory and thus run 32 bit ksp with a lot more mods.

I always had terrible framerate issues with opengl mode until KSP .25. Now -force-opengl saves me over a GB of RAM and the framerate is just as good as DirectX mode!

Max.10.07 · October 25, 2014

I suggest you use the opengl solution, you'll be able to save a lot of memory and thus run 32 bit ksp with a lot more mods.

I get .... framerate

Felbourn · October 25, 2014

Any thoughts as to why the parts under this interstage are not shielded? The circled Mono globes are falling off due to aero stress. My FAR config was not changed, so I still have this section in it:


FARPartClassification
{
	name = Default
        //...snip...
	PayloadFairing
	{
		title = payload
		title = fairing
		title = shroud
		title = interstage
	}
        //...snip...
}

acc · October 25, 2014

Any thoughts as to why the parts under this interstage are not shielded? The circled Mono globes are falling off due to aero stress. My FAR config was not changed, so I still have this section in it:
FARPartClassification
{
	name = Default
        //...snip...
	PayloadFairing
	{
		title = payload
		title = fairing
		title = shroud
		title = interstage
	}
        //...snip...
}
http://i.imgur.com/Wfcr4Q7.png

Have this issues too with pFairings. Conversation about it starts here. Ferram said it has something to do with the scaling functionality of pFairings. I see you use tweakscale on your shrouds, maybe this bug hits all ingame rescaled parts.

Felbourn · October 25, 2014

Have this issues too with pFairings. Conversation about it starts here. Ferram said it has something to do with the scaling functionality of pFairings. I see you use tweakscale on your shrouds, maybe this bug hits all ingame rescaled parts.

Thanks. I'll try a proper-sized interstage. Note my KW actual payload fairing is also Tweakscaled (I installed only the 5m parts and I scale them down as desired) but those parts get shielded properly. I'l report my results later.

*EDIT* It still fails to shield parts even with TweakScale (and the interstage's module) removed.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Felbourn

ABalazs · October 26, 2014

Hi!

Do anyone know the cause of constant pitch oscillation with SAS? Only since 0.25 and only with FAR.

Wanderfound · October 26, 2014

Hi!
Do anyone know the cause of constant pitch oscillation with SAS? Only since 0.25 and only with FAR.

Oversensitive stock SAS code.

1) Reduce your control authority.

2) Install regex's PID Controller mod and cut the default pitch values by 1/2-2/3rds.

ABalazs · October 26, 2014

Sadly regex's mod is not available for download, aparently from today.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/96654-0-25-PID-Tune-0-1-SAS-tweaking-%2810-12-2014%29

If someone could send me a copy, I'd be extremely greatful.

I tweaked control surface deflections, but the bouncing did not eliminated. I need some control btw, if I dumb down deflections below a certain level, the planes become totally inresponsible at high altitude.

Oversensitive stock SAS code.
1) Reduce your control authority.
2) Install regex's PID Controller mod and cut the default pitch values by 1/2-2/3rds.

acc · October 26, 2014

Thanks. I'll try a proper-sized interstage. Note my KW actual payload fairing is also Tweakscaled (I installed only the 5m parts and I scale them down as desired) but those parts get shielded properly. I'l report my results later.
*EDIT* It still fails to shield parts even with TweakScale (and the interstage's module) removed.

For me the default kw rocketry fairings and shrouds work fine. With pFairings the bug was kinda random: Sometimes all parts are shielded, sometimes only a few of them.

Ophiuchus · October 26, 2014

Yeah, PFairings works for me until I resize the base, then everything shows up as unshielded

Felbourn · October 26, 2014

For me the default kw rocketry fairings and shrouds work fine. With pFairings the bug was kinda random: Sometimes all parts are shielded, sometimes only a few of them.

Not being 100% what what was making the radial tanks pop off, I switched to a different radial tank that does not pop off. AFAIK they have the same crashTolerance and breakingTorque so it's unclear to me why one tank pops off and the other does not. The mass might be different, and body shape is different. Maybe I can check connection node sizes, though I expect to see them both 0 since these are radial tanks. Anyway, I stopped trying to debug this once the second tank was not popping off. The parts are still totally unshielded during flight though.

blowfish · October 26, 2014

Sadly regex's mod is not available for download, aparently from today.
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/96654-0-25-PID-Tune-0-1-SAS-tweaking-%2810-12-2014%29
If someone could send me a copy, I'd be extremely greatful.
I tweaked control surface deflections, but the bouncing did not eliminated. I need some control btw, if I dumb down deflections below a certain level, the planes become totally inresponsible at high altitude.

Here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v10auvb37g7o009/PID_Tune-0.1.zip?dl=0.

You can also try just disabling SAS. You have to steer a little bit more carefully and use the trim controls but if your craft is stable and well-balanced it should fly ok.

ABalazs · October 26, 2014

Thanks mate.

Here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v10auvb37g7o009/PID_Tune-0.1.zip?dl=0.
You can also try just disabling SAS. You have to steer a little bit more carefully and use the trim controls but if your craft is stable and well-balanced it should fly ok.

NathanKell · October 26, 2014

Just a note: while regex pulled PID Tuner, and you must absolutely not poke him about it, it is released under the BSD 2-clause license and thus can be redistributed.

blowfish · October 26, 2014

Just a note: while regex pulled PID Tuner, and you must absolutely not poke him about it, it is released under the BSD 2-clause license and thus can be redistributed.

Noted, and probably something I should have paid more attention to before I linked it. It also looks like the license isn't included in the zip so maybe I should take it down anyway?

NathanKell · October 26, 2014

It's in the source.

Wanderfound · October 27, 2014

Sadly regex's mod is not available for download, aparently from today.
http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/96654-0-25-PID-Tune-0-1-SAS-tweaking-%2810-12-2014%29

Dang.

BTW, to regex: Thanks for your work; looking forward to an improved version if you feel like making it.

blowfish · October 27, 2014

It's in the source.

Ahh, missed that too. I was expecting it to be in a separate file but I guess if there's only one file of source code...

Out of curiosity, why did he take it down?

Wanderfound · October 27, 2014

Ahh, missed that too. I was expecting it to be in a separate file but I guess if there's only one file of source code...
Out of curiosity, why did he take it down?

Looking at the thread, he's either working on an improved version or just got sick of answering questions. Either way, I wouldn't poke him about it.

yohuan · October 27, 2014

Is this intentional ? or is this a bug when you put 2 wings like so it cancels out lift, or does the stock wings just have bad with lift which i think might be why.

Edited October 27, 2014 by yohuan

taniwha · October 27, 2014

yohuan: FAR removes the arrow because it is meaningless.

Also, having double wings will increase drag without significantly increasing lift: you'll be much better off with only one layer with more actual wing. Try looking at real planes for your inspiration.

yohuan · October 27, 2014

yohuan: FAR removes the arrow because it is meaningless.
Also, having double wings will increase drag without significantly increasing lift: you'll be much better off with only one layer with more actual wing. Try looking at real planes for your inspiration.

Yeah i know that but idea was to have 2 thin wings covering the variable wing, which will move in between the 2 thin wing layers but thing is when i put 1 layer the lift works fine but then a put the other layer on top or under it will cancel out the lift as you can see in the picture and i think that might be a bug is what i am trying to say.

BudgetHedgehog · October 27, 2014

i think that might be a bug is what i am trying to say.

No, it's just that if you have one wing right on top of another, the drag is increased and the lift is not, as taniwha said. Doesn't matter what you want to use them for, that's what happens and it's not a bug, it's real aerodynamics.

Unless you mean the arrow is gone from the CoL? Then, as taniwha also said, FAR removes it anyway because it's meaningless.

yohuan · October 27, 2014

My bad after doing some testing and its just the stock wings just didn't have enough lift for the thing i built, worked in NEAR but yeah.

Edited October 27, 2014 by yohuan

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