Hobbes Novakoff Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 18 minutes ago, Elthy said: Calling the 970 futureproof is optimistic. Its 3,5 Gb of storage wont last that long anymore, and it gets obliterated in DX 12 by the R9 390 (similar performance in DX11), which has over twice the usable VRAM. The thing is, almost no 1080p or even 1440p games need 4GB of RAM, and if you're doing any serious gaming beyond 1440p you aren't using a 970, you've got a 980ti or something like a dual-Titan monster machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elthy Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 At the moment there is not much to fill the 970 ar 1080p, true. But "futureproof" is about the performance in the future, and we have 2 important topics (DX 12 and VRAM) where the 970 is inferior to the (otherwise comparable) R9 390. Also Nvidia tends to "forget" about its GPUs once a new generation is released. Just look at the older HD 7970 vs. the GTX 680, its hard to belive the 680 was way more expensive at their time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Elthy said: At the moment there is not much to fill the 970 ar 1080p, true. But "futureproof" is about the performance in the future, and we have 2 important topics (DX 12 and VRAM) where the 970 is inferior to the (otherwise comparable) R9 390. Also Nvidia tends to "forget" about its GPUs once a new generation is released. Just look at the older HD 7970 vs. the GTX 680, its hard to belive the 680 was way more expensive at their time... R9 390 is something that I don't recommend usually. I have been waiting for more dx 12 benchmarks, and nvidia optimizations. The r9 390 also chews through a lot of power... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 You guys are pretty divided on which card to use, and I have do admit, I thought the same thing when I heard your suggested vcard only had 4gb of vram. That seemed a bit bleak for future games... That said, I am absolutely out of the loop, in particular with GFX, it's just been that long..so im pretty much going ~90% off of suggestions. I am absolutely willing to spend more than how much this vcard would cost me. I'm happy to overspend a little on a graphics card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 9 hours ago, Elthy said: At the moment there is not much to fill the 970 ar 1080p, true. But "futureproof" is about the performance in the future, and we have 2 important topics (DX 12 and VRAM) where the 970 is inferior to the (otherwise comparable) R9 390. Also Nvidia tends to "forget" about its GPUs once a new generation is released. Just look at the older HD 7970 vs. the GTX 680, its hard to belive the 680 was way more expensive at their time... That's very strange, I am happily using a GTX 760 with updated drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Based on current performance the 970 and 390 are pretty much equal. If you want to game on Linux pick the 970 because AMD's Linux drivers are hopeless. Otherwise pick the company you prefer - chances are you have your own previous good or bad experiences of nVidia and AMD. If you really can't decide, flip a coin - IMHO it really makes no difference. Or buy whatever you find a bargain on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 12 minutes ago, cantab said: Based on current performance the 970 and 390 are pretty much equal. If you want to game on Linux pick the 970 because AMD's Linux drivers are hopeless. Otherwise pick the company you prefer - chances are you have your own previous good or bad experiences of nVidia and AMD. If you really can't decide, flip a coin - IMHO it really makes no difference. Or buy whatever you find a bargain on. Appreciate the simple advice. I think I will ultimately have to go with this. My main experience has always been with Nvidia. Never had a problem with AMD, just never ended up usually using them for either CPUs or GFX. I think I'll go with the 970 unless I can find a substantial deal on a 390. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Why not this? It's unlocked, and slightly faster. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117372 Or even this, but I'm leaning towards the Devil's Canyon one above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-117-561 Scratch everything, I just realized those don't have DDR4 support. Like I said, way out of the loop. Please remember, money is basically not an issue (to a point). My new choice: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117561 Edited March 14, 2016 by KocLobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceception Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, fredinno said: Hey, we need you back at the alt solar system PM thread, please, Spaceeption We're making your planet. I don't know why you couldn't have just mentioned me in the PM, I would've seen it when I woke up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($244.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-L9i 57.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($42.34 @ Newegg) Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.99 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($64.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($87.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.89 @ OutletPC) Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($332.45 @ B&H) Case: Fractal Design Define S w/Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg) Total: $1072.62Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when availableGenerated by PCPartPicker 2016-03-14 15:12 EDT-0400 This has a overclocking mainboard and cpu. Edited March 14, 2016 by Alphasus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I'm a little confused. Do heatsink/fan combo's for socket 1150 work on socket 1151 CPUs? For example, the cooler that @Alphasus suggested is http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhl9i which specifies it for 1150, while the CPU is socket 1151. I assume that they are interchangeable? That would seem to make sense; Newegg doesn't have a lot of 1151 specific heatsink/fans, but obviously has tons and tons of 1150's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, KocLobster said: I'm a little confused. Do heatsink/fan combo's for socket 1150 work on socket 1151 CPUs? For example, the cooler that @Alphasus suggested is http://pcpartpicker.com/part/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhl9i which specifies it for 1150, while the CPU is socket 1151. I assume that they are interchangeable? That would seem to make sense; Newegg doesn't have a lot of 1151 specific heatsink/fans, but obviously has tons and tons of 1150's. Yes, yes they do. If you check supported sockets, you can see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Alphasus said: Yes, yes they do. If you check supported sockets, you can see that. Ah, I apologize, I see that now on the part picker website. I was using Newegg to view all of the parts in your build, and for example, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608029 has it's compadability listed as 1150, 1155, 1156 only. So that's where I was confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 If you want more cooling, this or this works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 The ram you suggested has a cas latency of 14. That seems awfully high, why not somthing with 9 or 10? Is there a specific reason you chose that ram in particular? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KocLobster said: The ram you suggested has a cas latency of 14. That seems awfully high, why not somthing with 9 or 10? Is there a specific reason you chose that ram in particular? Nope, but I can take a look at lower latency RAM. Also, low latency DDR4 is not cheap. Edited March 14, 2016 by Alphasus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Remember CAS latency is measured in clock cycles, so you can't directly compare it between different speed RAM. CAS 10 1600 is the same latency in real time as CAS 15 2400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) What is it the dual channel kit's do? Or triple or quad channel? I realize I don't know what those are for. edit: I realize now that a cas latency of 14 is pretty standard for DDR4 ram. I didn't know this. I figured it'd be the same for DDR3, where the standard is ~9-10 Edited March 14, 2016 by KocLobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just now, KocLobster said: What is it the dual channel kit's do? Or triple or quad channel? I realize I don't know what those are for. Quad channel is faster than dual which is faster than single channel. Dual channel is really all you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) I just wanted to confirm, that the new CPU we picked (100 series chipset), is still compatible with the motherboard we've chosen? Z170 falls under the 100 series chipset right? If so, I was also looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130873 Although a MicroATX motherboard&case would be pretty cool. You don't think it'd get too hot in that smaller case? Edited March 14, 2016 by KocLobster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, KocLobster said: I just wanted to confirm, that the new CPU we picked (100 series chipset), is still compatible with the motherboard we've chosen? Z170 falls under the 100 series chipset right? If so, I was also looking at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130873 Although a MicroATX motherboard&case would be pretty cool. You don't think it'd get too hot in that smaller case? If you want cheap fans, then these work nicely Do you care for silence? Also, in terms of heat, I use a similar TDP CPU and GPU(same GPU actually), with a slightly larger cooler and less fans in a smaller case. I have not hit above 60 degrees celsius ever since that new CPU cooler was installed. That case can mount 8 140mm case fans. Mine has 2 120mm case fans. Edited March 14, 2016 by Alphasus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Alphasus said: If you want cheap fans, then these work nicely Do you care for silence? Also, in terms of heat, I use a similar TDP CPU and GPU(same GPU actually), with a slightly larger cooler and less fans in a smaller case. I have not hit above 60 degrees celsius ever since that new CPU cooler was installed. Yeah, in general more silent fans would be nice. Cheap isn't necessary and doesn't need to be the driving factor behind anything...I'm not concerned about spending a little extra. I'm glad you said that, I think I'm going to stick with the MicroATX then; I'd prefer a smaller/lighter case, as long as it doesn't impact performance or cooling in any way. If I was intent on using a MicroATX MB and MicroATX case so that it's not an awfully huge/heavy case, I was leaning towards http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128844 What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KocLobster Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Can someone please explain why this HD http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA8UW36K0059 is about twice as expensive as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 The specifications are identical, one is just a black series vs. blue series. I don't understand why one is so much more expensive. What do the Western Digital red vs. green vs. blue vs. black etc mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 1 hour ago, KocLobster said: I'm a little confused. Do heatsink/fan combo's for socket 1150 work on socket 1151 CPUs? Yes, but. They fit, but there are a few horror stories of older heatsink designs damaging the more fragile socket 1151 processors. I would check on the cooler manufacturer's website, if they list LGA 1151 support it should be OK. 1 hour ago, KocLobster said: What is it the dual channel kit's do? Or triple or quad channel? I realize I don't know what those are for. Give you two, three, or four sticks of identical RAM, with assurance that they will work properly together. Multi-channel memory setups gives a small performance boost, though I think the LGA 1151 processors just do dual or single channel. The colours are WD's performance brands. Blue is 'standard', Black is 'high performance'. There are other colours marketed for other uses. But whether there are any actual performance differences between those two drives I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphasus Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 58 minutes ago, KocLobster said: Yeah, in general more silent fans would be nice. Cheap isn't necessary and doesn't need to be the driving factor behind anything...I'm not concerned about spending a little extra. I'm glad you said that, I think I'm going to stick with the MicroATX then; I'd prefer a smaller/lighter case, as long as it doesn't impact performance or cooling in any way. If I was intent on using a MicroATX MB and MicroATX case so that it's not an awfully huge/heavy case, I was leaning towards http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128844 What do you think? That motherboard seems nice. If you want a smaller case, then I will point you to something. I am quite partial to Fractal Design.HEre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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