Arecibo message (split from The Ksp mun Easter egg)

[magnemoe]

14 hours ago, K^2 said:

That's what berserker probes are for. If you're a species capable of building AI capable of managing an interstellar mission, resource gathering, and replication at the destination, as well as able to launch something at a meaningful fraction of the speed of light, wiping out a civilization that's just starting out with space exploration is fairly straight forward. Yeah, it might give us as much as a few hundred years to develop our tech, but if by the time we get to it, the Oort cloud is filled with replicating murder bots, we're going to have a hard time.

Isaac Arthur did an breakdown on it here.

I agree with Isaac here, downside with killing planets is that you might run into something far stronger than you. 
As they are also exploring they have seen that you have done and will be hostile. 
Yes they might be hostile anyway but you removed the might be part.  
And anything far weaker than you are not an threat for a long time and you can always monitor them.
Someone at your level. This is extremely unlikely, so unlikely I would suspect something weird is going on.  

 

[shdwlrd]

2 hours ago, tstein said:

Oo I know I read the books,  but  between   suffering  alone and suffering but  taking some of the ones causing the suffereing  down to hell with me, I chose the second.

Then in your dream like state. You find yourself doing some God awful work you don't remember doing before. As you try to wake up or stop,  nothing happens, you continue doing that job. You continue in this state until some industrial accident, act of violence, or your flesh deteriorates enough for you to be decommissioned and recycled. Welcome to the "life" of a servator. 

"Even in death, you will still serve the Emperor."

[magnemoe]

On 1/17/2023 at 5:20 PM, Pthigrivi said:

I mean there's also a strong possibility a super advanced life form would just find us utterly unthreatening and uninteresting, like we might see an ant or an amoeba. 

Anyway to bring things a bit more on topic whatever this species is seems to be the benevolent curator type. I'll be really curious to see how integrated this is into the tech development and progression. It's the thing that gives me pause because I do want anomalies to be important for science, but if a lot of them are alien monuments are we kind of saying we got fusion or antimatter drives from aliens? Im not crazy about that. Like they might be cool as just goalposts for boom events but I'd rather see tech development come from harder science.  

Unless advance life is common the aliens would find us and our ecosystem very interesting. Both for science and might even economical, nature and exotic places documentaries are popular and probably has decent an audience with an curious species. 

And I agree the anomalies should not be alien artifacts, having some alien stuff is ok and might be an nice mystery. Kind of the Dwemer in Elder scroll (an race with advanced magic and much more advanced technology who suddenly disappeared, nobody know why) 
Also works for endgame, you find this alien ship, its on something like Eve but its on an super earth orbiting close to an red giant star, luckily its on the outside of the tidal locked planet, not the melted one. And you need to bring this ship back to kerbin to unlock the engine in the Expanse.  

[kerbiloid]

A significantly stronger civilization has better telescopes than JWST, so they know about us very well.

As they still haven't captured our rare life-friendly planet, so their plans don't include its elimination in near future, we are a part of their world picture.

(This can change if we touch something significant for them, but to the moment this looks unlikely probable.)

 

The developed civilisations probably born very rarely, because they need very specific condition similar to Earth.

So, they probably already have gone or adopted by the greater and more ancient civilisation from p.1.

 

Thus, unlikely there is anyone in this galaxy to catch this message, who still doesn't know about us.

[Kerbart]

20 hours ago, K^2 said:

That's what berserker probes are for. If you're a species capable of building AI capable of managing an interstellar mission, resource gathering, and replication at the destination, as well as able to launch something at a meaningful fraction of the speed of light, wiping out a civilization that's just starting out with space exploration is fairly straight forward. Yeah, it might give us as much as a few hundred years to develop our tech, but if by the time we get to it, the Oort cloud is filled with replicating murder bots, we're going to have a hard time.

Then again , Carl Sagan argued against it. Any species that has aggressive conquest behavior will eradicate itself long before it has star-faring capabilities.

Of course he didn't read The Expanse where a reasonable argument against that concept was made.

[farmerben]

An aggressive conquest species that gets hold of powerful alien technology could launch interstellar conquest missions.  Stars are far more dense in the center of the galaxy therefore alien artifacts are likely to be more concentrated there.  

Niven's "Footfall" is a great example.

[StrandedonEarth]

50 minutes ago, farmerben said:

Niven's "Footfall" is a great example.

Didn’t Niven’s Kzinti race (separate universe, I know) also utilize stolen/acquired tech? And I won’t even get into the Thrint Slavers…

As an aside, I would still love to see some sort of adaptation of the Man-Kzin  wars…

[tstein]

14 hours ago, shdwlrd said:

Then in your dream like state. You find yourself doing some God awful work you don't remember doing before. As you try to wake up or stop,  nothing happens, you continue doing that job. You continue in this state until some industrial accident, act of violence, or your flesh deteriorates enough for you to be decommissioned and recycled. Welcome to the "life" of a servator. 

"Even in death, you will still serve the Emperor."

You are thinking on an individual scale< I am talking as a civilization. Manking is   an entity on itself and that entity   while going down is going down with a very loud thunder.

[magnemoe]

13 hours ago, StrandedonEarth said:

Didn’t Niven’s Kzinti race (separate universe, I know) also utilize stolen/acquired tech? And I won’t even get into the Thrint Slavers…

As an aside, I would still love to see some sort of adaptation of the Man-Kzin  wars…

They did, and something like this is kind of plausible, Japan later part of 19'th century to end of WW 2. But that was an change from isolationism to embracing everything foreign who could have industrial or military use, getting alliances and building up the industry and military. 
Going from medieval to interstellar would take time even if actively supported. And you needed to be friendly and useful until you was strong enough who Japan attempted. 
But that would not work as well if its just two players. Japan beat Russia in 1905 and the British was pretty happy about it.