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SunlitZelkova

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Rumor has it that a meeting of... ahem, *government officials* may occur at Vostochny.

North Korean cosmonauts soon TM?

To be honest, it's pretty unlikely, but I wanted to put the idea out there for fun.

Unlike with China, there are no laws preventing North Korean scientists from working onboard the American modules of the ISS.

Or are there some obscure security checks non-program astronauts (like from Saudi Arabia and UAE) have to go through before boarding the Western section of the craft?

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22 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Rumor has it that a meeting of... ahem, *government officials* may occur at Vostochny.

North Korean cosmonauts soon TM?

To be honest, it's pretty unlikely, but I wanted to put the idea out there for fun.

Unlike with China, there are no laws preventing North Korean scientists from working onboard the American modules of the ISS.

Or are there some obscure security checks non-program astronauts (like from Saudi Arabia and UAE) have to go through before boarding the Western section of the craft?

I doubt the North Korean government would permit that potential PR blunder.

"Look, TV viewers back home! From up here, I can see the cities of the world at night! See, here comes East Asia into view. That big web of lights is Bangkok. And there we see Hanoi, and Hong Kong, and Shanghai ... see how they shine! And now, the motherland! Behold the glory of ... er, oh. Never mind. Pay no attention to that big blotch of lights to the south, please."

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Wow. So we actually did get some space news.

I can’t post the article because it contains politics, but according to NHK, Russia made a verbal offer to North Korea to help build satellites and SLVs.

Kinda sad considering one of the goals of the ISS was to prevent the proliferation of Russian missile technology.

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3 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Kinda sad considering one of the goals of the ISS was to prevent the proliferation of Russian missile technology.

Well, it was supposed to keep the missile technology and scientists in Russia. It did that.

Who they - and the whole of Russia - would be palling around with was another question, of a different pay grade.

7 hours ago, Codraroll said:

"Look, TV viewers back home! From up here, I can see the cities of the world at night! See, here comes East Asia into view. That big web of lights is Bangkok. And there we see Hanoi, and Hong Kong, and Shanghai ... see how they shine! And now, the motherland! Behold the glory of ... er, oh. Never mind. Pay no attention to that big blotch of lights to the south, please."

"...but hey, it's because the Southerners all work 24/7. You see, malign American influence..."

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However, considering a few years ago the other "government officials meeting" in Singapore - Their news is quite a lot of nighttime footage of bustling Singapore. And said that "hey look that's Singapore." Meanwhile, many of them have been to China and Russia as foreign students. So, it's very likely that what you think they're going to talk to you about, "I can't find the money for my next meal", but they actually going to talk to you about "how well DJI drones can be modified and carried".

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Even so much so that a normal Chinese tourist in the subway in Pyongyang can run into an international student who used to study mining reading a Chinese academic paper

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5 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

Kinda sad considering one of the goals of the ISS was to prevent the proliferation of Russian missile technology

As all DPRK ballistic missiles look like replicas of Soviet ones, including R-29R and Tochka, one can doubt that the declared "non-proliferation" aim was the central purpose of the ISS cooperation.

The timeline of the non-stop Mir and ISS cargo-returning flights, the story with the antisat debris, the opponent's partner's overseer on every ship, look like they produce something significant for both elites (rare crystals or so), and this is much more important than various on-ground human mess, "PR" (important only for office marketologists and merchadisers), sanctions-schmanctions, moon-schmoon, astronomy -schmastronomy (hi, UV-scope), and other so much important things.

So, it's ok with ISS. It will probably survive not one nuclear exchange in happy international cooperation.
The proliferation could be stopped without ISS, because there was a lot of experienced rocketeers in the world, but few nuclear capable industries.

9 hours ago, Codraroll said:

I doubt the North Korean government would permit that potential PR blunder.

This sweet word "PR". As universal and blurry as "motivation".

Nobody would even know about the bad PR. Look at the space race faults. Who cared about the failures?

2 hours ago, DDE said:

"...but hey, it's because the Southerners all work 24/7. You see, malign American influence..."

Because a light day is enough for NK for what their capitalist opponents need 24h.

Rational organisation of labor

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19 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

So, it's ok with ISS. It will probably survive not one nuclear exchange in happy international cooperation.

Actually I was planning to write a story where NATO and Russia destroy each other in a nuclear war in 2014, so Japan buys the ISS and continues operations.

The concept never took off though and remains relegated to nothing more than a thought.

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steve9728

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11 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

https://x.com/colinzwirko/status/1707197941503643914?s=46&t=Jd73T2beq0JLNtwTy1uR5A
 

National Aerospace Development Agency is now called National Aerospace Technology General Bureau (NATGB).

Time for thread name change, @steve9728?

Actually, I read this and changed the name on the phone outside. Have to say, thanks to their special love for putting RGB LEDs on somewhere strange, my first glance at that was NARGB...

Sorry Kim

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11 hours ago, SunlitZelkova said:

https://x.com/colinzwirko/status/1707197941503643914?s=46&t=Jd73T2beq0JLNtwTy1uR5A
 

National Aerospace Development Agency is now called National Aerospace Technology General Bureau (NATGB).

Time for thread name change, @steve9728?

Having "Development" as part of the name was presumably too much of a baldfaced lie, even for North Korea. At least the name "National Aerospace Technology General Bureau" doesn't include any allusions to progress being made.

Now, if only they'd do something about the D, P, and R ...

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2 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Indeed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_North_Korean_missile_tests

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It's just had grown itself.

Even you should have learned by now that there's a world of difference between what impoverished authoritarian regimes claim to be capable of, and what they actually are capable of.

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4 hours ago, Codraroll said:

Even you should have learned by now that there's a world of difference between what impoverished authoritarian regimes claim to be capable of, and what they actually are capable of.

Their ballistic missile and cruise missile tests have actually been largely successful so far.

Space development on the other hand is not really developing.

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8 hours ago, Codraroll said:

Even you should have learned by now that there's a world of difference between what impoverished authoritarian regimes claim to be capable of, and what they actually are capable of.

Of course, you understand that sometimes development may have unpleasant forms, and the developers are rarely (actually, almost never) good and pleasant persons.

The space began from V-2 and its further development, like R-5M, R-11, R-7, and Redstone.
The first man reached the space in Vostok ship, a manned version of a spysat, an alternative payload for the Soviet ICBM.
The first USA man reached the space on Redstone.
All of them were derived from V-2, while Von Braun has sent the people of freedom to the Moon.

Fritz Haber invented both sarin and fertilizer out of air which is providing food for billions of people.
(A very unpleasant person, yes. An pedant before pedants had come, a home tyrant, whose wife and son ended with suicide.)

Let alone the nuclear industry, and its leaders, and its original purpose.

As UC, the real world is far  from ponies, and the development correlates with money and necessity, not with somebody's romantic dreams.

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@Codraroll, look, what I just have recalled about.

https://time.com/5128398/the-missile-factory/

Who could expect. The Stronghold of Freedom was developing the ICBM program of the Citadel of Evil...

(Actually I had read about that not once, in the English sources, but forgot about that, as I'm not concerned on bringing more Proper Good to the world.)

On ther other hand, the NK nuclear missile program looks now like a monument of international cooperation between Western and Bad parts of the world.

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North Korea has notified Japan it will attempt to launch a satellite between Wednesday and December 1st.

It should be noted they originally said the 3rd launch attempt would be in October. I wonder if it is possible Russian specialists have already arrived and provided some assistance as per the statements of the two leaders.

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At about 11:00 PM JST, the interlinked South Korean-Japanese-American missile (and by extension, space launch) detection system observed a rocket lifting off from North Korea. It is highly likely this was the third satellite launch attempt due to it following the planned splash down areas given by the NK government.

It is still unknown whether it was successful or not. The Japanese MOD has only said they can’t confirm if it is in orbit, and have remained silent since. Ionospheric readings showed a larger disturbance at the time of launch than before, probably indicating the second stage worked for at least some amount of time, says Dr. Jeffrey Lewis.

(Not posting any links because they contain politics)

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