[0.22] B9 Aerospace Pack / R4.0c / New pods, IVAs, engines, fuselages & structures

Temeter · December 19, 2013

Noticed another small issue, the small turbofan-engines seem to have a very heavy impact on performance. Its also probably an older one, i never tried these engines en masse before. I'm using reduced textures.

Since KSPs performance got quite a bit better, i'm building a large overengineered spaceplane. Its around 150 ton and 360 parts, and runs comfortable around 25fps in the hangar. The number doesnt change with 12 additional turbojets or vtol-engines including mounts. Adding 6 turbofans on the other hand drops the framerate to 20fps and it only gets worse as i add more.

I assume usually the performance impact wouldnt be so obvious in small numbers (and they certainly look awesome), but i wanted to use them - and the nice thrust/weight-ratio - as a kind of 'kickstarter' to get heavy cargo-planes easier to a height where hybrid-engines can accelerate efficiently.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Temeter

Dal · December 19, 2013

This seems to be the best we're going to get until Bac9's update is ready. These SABREs are fully functional aside from having no flames or smoke. If you don't mind that, gimbals work, gauges work, autoswitch works, heat works, ui and tweakables work, etc etc. Only change from the base mod is now the gauges show liquid fuel instead of air, as 0.23 relaxed flameouts dramatically (by an additional 50% or so) on top of adding autoswitch.

To use, save the respective code as a new .cfg in each of the gamedata/B9_aerospace/parts/Engines_SABRE_S / M folders. If installed correctly you should see new SABREs next to the old ones. If you can't figure that out you should wait for an official update. If you really really needed to you could replace your base SABREs to support old craft but do so at your own discretion.

SABRE S-R:

PART
{

// --- general parameters ---
name = B9_Engine_SABRE_SR
module = Part
author = author = bac9-flcl (textures), Taverius (model)

// --- asset parameters ---
mesh = model.mu
scale = 1.0
rescaleFactor = 1

// --- node definitions ---
// definition format is Position X, Position Y, Position Z, Up X, Up Y, Up Z

node_stack_top = 0.0, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1
node_attach = 0.0, 0.625, 0.625, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0
CoMOffset = 0.0, -0.625, 0.0


// --- editor parameters ---
mass = 1.5
dragModelType = default 
maximum_drag = 0.2 
minimum_drag = 0.2 
angularDrag = 2 
crashTolerance = 7
breakingForce = 750
breakingTorque = 750
maxTemp = 3600


TechRequired = aerospaceTech
entryCost = 57000
cost = 6500
category = Propulsion
subcategory = 0
title = SABRE S-R Engine 
manufacturer = Tetragon Projects
description = Combined-cycle rocket engine. Mode #1 is a turbocompressed air-breathing rocket/ramjet engine. Mode #2 is a high efficiency rocket engine. More convenient and easier to pull off than relying on using multiple engine types, but marginally less efficient than some specialized combinations.

// attachment rules: stack, srfAttach, allowStack, allowSrfAttach, allowCollision
attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0


EFFECTS
{
  running_closed
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
    }
  }
  power_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
  }
  running_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
  }
  engage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_medium
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  disengage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_soft
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  flameout
  {
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout
      transformName = thrust_transform
      oneShot = true
    }
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_explosion_low
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
}

// --- FX definitions ---
fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, power
fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout

// --- Sound FX definition ---
sound_vent_medium = engage
sound_rocket_hard = power
sound_vent_soft = disengage
sound_explosion_low = flameout

MODULE
{
	name = MultiModeEngine
	primaryEngineID = AirBreathing
	secondaryEngineID = RocketPower
}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = AirBreathing
	directThrottleEffectName = power_open
	runningEffectName = running_open
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrust_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 215
	heatProduction = 450
	useEngineResponseTime = True
	engineAccelerationSpeed = 0.4
	engineDecelerationSpeed = 0.7
	useVelocityCurve = True
    fxOffset = 0, 0, 0
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = LiquidFuel
        ratio = 1
		DrawGauge = True
    }
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = IntakeAir
        ratio = 9
    }
    atmosphereCurve
    {
        //    Atm.P.  Isp   iTan oTan
        key = 0       2351  0    3.26E+07
        key = 7.5E-06 2564  0    0
        key = 0.0006  2159  0    0
        key = 0.11    2413  0    0
        key = 1       2084 -660  0
    }
    velocityCurve
    {
        //    m/s  %F    iTan   oTan
        key = 0    0.85  0     -0.0007
        key = 300  0.75  0      0
        key = 1500 1     0      0
        key = 1650 0.88 -0.003 -0.003
        key = 1800 0     0      0
    }
}

MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = RocketPower
	runningEffectName = running_closed
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrust_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 185
	heatProduction = 550
	fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
    useEngineResponseTime = False
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = LiquidFuel
        ratio = 0.9
	DrawGauge = True
    }
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = Oxidizer
        ratio = 1.1
    }
    atmosphereCurve
    {
        key = 0 385
        key = 1 370
    }
}

MODULE
{
    name = ModuleAnimateHeat
    ThermalAnim = sabre_125_heat_nozzle
}

// Alternator & Power
MODULE
{
    name = ModuleAlternator
    RESOURCE
    {
        name = ElectricCharge
        rate = 5.0
    }
}

MODULE
{
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = thrust_transform
    gimbalRange = 3
    //useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
}

RESOURCE
{
    name = ElectricCharge
    amount = 0
    maxAmount = 0
}

}

SABRE M-R:

PART
{
    // --- general parameters ---
    name = B9_Engine_SABRE_MR
    module = Part
    author = bac9-flcl (textures), Taverius (model)

    // --- asset parameters ---
    mesh = model.mu
    scale = 1.0
    rescaleFactor = 1

    // --- node definitions ---
    node_stack_top = 0.0, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 2
    node_attach = 0.0, 0.625, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0
    CoMOffset = 0.0, -0.625, 0.0

    // --- FX definitions ---
    fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, power
    fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout

    // --- Sound FX definition ---
    sound_vent_medium = engage
    sound_rocket_hard = power
    sound_vent_soft = disengage
    sound_explosion_low = flameout

    // --- editor parameters ---
    TechRequired = aerospaceTech
    entryCost = 85500
    cost = 19500
    category = Propulsion
    subcategory = 0
    title = SABRE M-R Engine
    manufacturer = Tetragon Projects
    description = Combined-cycle rocket engine. Mode #1 is a turbocompressed air-breathing rocket/ramjet engine. Mode #2 is a high efficiency rocket engine. More convenient and easier to pull off than relying on using multiple engine types, but marginally less efficient than some specialized combinations.

    // attachment rules: stack, srfAttach, allowStack, allowSrfAttach, allowCollision
    attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0

    // --- standard part parameters ---
    mass = 6
    dragModelType = default
    maximum_drag = 0.2
    minimum_drag = 0.2
    angularDrag = 2
    crashTolerance = 7
    breakingForce = 3000
    breakingTorque = 3000
    maxTemp = 3600

EFFECTS
{
  running_closed
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
    }
  }
  power_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
  }
  running_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
  }
  engage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_medium
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  disengage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_soft
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  flameout
  {
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      oneShot = true
    }
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_explosion_low
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
}

// --- FX definitions ---
fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, power
fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout

// --- Sound FX definition ---
sound_vent_medium = engage
sound_rocket_hard = power
sound_vent_soft = disengage
sound_explosion_low = flameout

MODULE
{
	name = MultiModeEngine
	primaryEngineID = AirBreathing
	secondaryEngineID = RocketPower
}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = AirBreathing
	directThrottleEffectName = power_open
	runningEffectName = running_open
    thrustVectorTransformName = nozzle_transform
    exhaustDamage = True
    ignitionThreshold = 0.1
    minThrust = 0
    maxThrust = 860
    heatProduction = 750
    useEngineResponseTime = True
    engineAccelerationSpeed = 0.2
    engineDecelerationSpeed = 0.35
    useVelocityCurve = True
    fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.5
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = LiquidFuel
        ratio = 1
		DrawGauge = True
    }
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = IntakeAir
        ratio = 9
    }
    atmosphereCurve
    {
        //    Atm.P.  Isp   iTan oTan
        key = 0       2351  0    3.26E+07
        key = 7.5E-06 2564  0    0
        key = 0.0006  2159  0    0
        key = 0.11    2413  0    0
        key = 1       2084 -660  0
    }
    velocityCurve
    {
        //    m/s  %F    iTan   oTan
        key = 0    0.85  0     -0.0007
        key = 300  0.75  0      0
        key = 1500 1     0      0
        key = 1650 0.88 -0.003 -0.003
        key = 1800 0     0      0
    }
}

MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = RocketPower
	runningEffectName = running_closed
	thrustVectorTransformName = nozzle_transform
    exhaustDamage = True
    ignitionThreshold = 0.1
    minThrust = 0
    maxThrust = 740
    heatProduction = 900
    fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.5
    useEngineResponseTime = False
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = LiquidFuel
        ratio = 0.9
	DrawGauge = True
    }
    PROPELLANT
    {
        name = Oxidizer
        ratio = 1.1
    }
    atmosphereCurve
    {
        key = 0 385
        key = 1 370
    }
}

MODULE
{
    name = ModuleAnimateHeat
    ThermalAnim = sabre_250_heat_nozzle
}

// Alternator & Power
MODULE
{
    name = ModuleAlternator
    RESOURCE
    {
        name = ElectricCharge
        rate = 10.0
    }
}

MODULE
{
    name = ModuleGimbal
    gimbalTransformName = nozzle_transform
    gimbalRange = 3
    //useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
}

RESOURCE
{
    name = ElectricCharge
    amount = 0
    maxAmount = 0
}
}

Edited December 19, 2013 by Dal

Kass · December 19, 2013

Thanks for the work-around Dal

Slye_Fox · December 19, 2013

A problem I got with B9 since the update, is that some of the cockpits will freeze in place when you launch the ship and the rest of the ship will come apart around it.

Grover · December 19, 2013

If I install the 0.22 version of B9, will i get most of the parts working? or will the Kraken have a feast on my KSP install?

Hodo · December 19, 2013

This seems to be the best we're going to get until Bac9's update is ready. These SABREs are fully functional aside from having no flames or smoke. If you don't mind that, gimbals work, gauges work, autoswitch works, heat works, ui and tweakables work, etc etc. Only change from the base mod is now the gauges show liquid fuel instead of air, as 0.23 relaxed flameouts dramatically (by an additional 50% or so) on top of adding autoswitch.
To use, save the respective code as a new .cfg in each of the gamedata/B9_aerospace/parts/Engines_SABRE_S / M folders. If installed correctly you should see new SABREs next to the old ones. If you can't figure that out you should wait for an official update. If you really really needed to you could replace your base SABREs to support old craft but do so at your own discretion.

This is what I came up with for the SABREs and they work, I have sound, and smoke. On a side note I have an unusually high heating issue and anything mounted on a rotation device from infernal robotics isn't working right... oh and my balance points have changed on almost ALL my craft.

SABRE S-R:

PART
{
    // --- general parameters ---
    name = B9_Engine_SABRE_S
    module = Part
    author = bac9-flcl (textures), Taverius (model)

    // --- asset parameters ---
    mesh = model.mu
    scale = 1.0
    rescaleFactor = 1

    // --- node definitions ---
    node_stack_top = 0.0, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 1
    node_attach = 0.0, 0.625, 0.625, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0
    CoMOffset = 0.0, -0.625, 0.0

    // --- FX definitions ---
    fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, power
    fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout

    // --- Sound FX definition ---
    sound_vent_medium = engage
    sound_rocket_hard = power
    sound_vent_soft = disengage
    sound_explosion_low = flameout

    // --- editor parameters ---
    TechRequired = aerospaceTech
    entryCost = 57000
    cost = 6500
    category = Propulsion
    subcategory = 0
    title = SABRE S Engine
    manufacturer = Tetragon Projects
    description = Combined-cycle rocket engine. Mode #1 is a turbocompressed air-breathing rocket/ramjet engine. Mode #2 is a high efficiency rocket engine. More convenient and easier to pull off than relying on using multiple engine types, but marginally less efficient than some specialized combinations.

    // attachment rules: stack, srfAttach, allowStack, allowSrfAttach, allowCollision
    attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0

    // --- standard part parameters ---
    mass = 1.5
    dragModelType = default
    maximum_drag = 0.2
    minimum_drag = 0.2
    angularDrag = 2
    crashTolerance = 7
    breakingForce = 750
    breakingTorque = 750
    maxTemp = 3600

EFFECTS
{
  running_closed
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_spurts
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
    }
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_smokeTrail_aeroSpike
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.25
      speed = 1.0 1.0
      localOffset = 0, 0, 1
    }
    MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
    {
      modelName = Squad/FX/shockExhaust_blue_small
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.5
      speed = 1.0 1.2
    }
  }
  power_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_spurts
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
    MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
    {
      modelName = Squad/FX/shockExhaust_red_small
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.5
      speed = 1.0 1.2
    }
  }
  running_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_jet_deep
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_smokeTrail_aeroSpike
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.25
      speed = 1.0 1.0
      localOffset = 0, 0, 1
   }
  }
  engage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_soft
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  flameout
  {
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout_2
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      oneShot = true
    }
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_explosion_low
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
}


MODULE
{
	name = MultiModeEngine
	primaryEngineID = AirBreathing
	secondaryEngineID = ClosedCycle
}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = AirBreathing
	directThrottleEffectName = power_open
	runningEffectName = running_open
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrust_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 215
	heatProduction = 225
	useEngineResponseTime = True
	engineAccelerationSpeed = 0.4
	engineDecelerationSpeed = 0.7
	useVelocityCurve = True
        fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = LiquidFuel
		ratio = 1
		DrawGauge = True
	}
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = IntakeAir
		ratio = 9
	}
	atmosphereCurve
    {
        //    Atm.P.  Isp   iTan oTan
        key = 0       2351  0    3.26E+07
        key = 7.5E-06 2564  0    0
        key = 0.0006  2159  0    0
        key = 0.11    2413  0    0
        key = 1       2084 -660  0
    }
    velocityCurve
    {
        //    m/s  %F    iTan   oTan
        key = 0    0.85  0     -0.0007
        key = 300  0.75  0      0
        key = 1500 1     0      0
        key = 1650 0.88 -0.003 -0.003
        key = 1800 0     0      0
    }

}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = ClosedCycle
	runningEffectName = running_closed
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrust_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 185
	heatProduction = 275
	fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
        useEngineResponseTime = False
	PROPELLANT
	{
	 	name = LiquidFuel
        	ratio = 0.9
		DrawGauge = True
	}
	PROPELLANT
	{
	 name = Oxidizer
	 ratio = 1.1
	}
	atmosphereCurve
 	{
   	 key = 0 385
  	 key = 1 370
 	}

}
    MODULE
    {
        name = ModuleAnimateHeat
        ThermalAnim = sabre_125_heat_nozzle
    }

    MODULE
{
	name = ModuleGimbal
	gimbalTransformName = thrust_transform
	gimbalRange = 3
        //useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
}
    MODULE
    {
        name = ModuleAlternator
        RESOURCE
        {
            name = ElectricCharge
            rate = 5.0
        }
    }

    RESOURCE
    {
        name = ElectricCharge
        amount = 0
        maxAmount = 0
    }
}

SABRE M-R:

PART
{
    // --- general parameters ---
    name = B9_Engine_SABRE_M
    module = Part
    author = bac9-flcl (textures), Taverius (model)

    // --- asset parameters ---
    mesh = model.mu
    scale = 1.0
    rescaleFactor = 1

    // --- node definitions ---
    node_stack_top = 0.0, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 2
    node_attach = 0.0, 0.625, 1.25, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0
    CoMOffset = 0.0, -0.625, 0.0

    // --- FX definitions ---
    fx_exhaustFlame_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustLight_blue = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, power
    fx_smokeTrail_light = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, power
    fx_exhaustSparks_flameout = 0.0, -0.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, flameout

    // --- Sound FX definition ---
    sound_vent_medium = engage
    sound_rocket_hard = power
    sound_vent_soft = disengage
    sound_explosion_low = flameout

    // --- editor parameters ---
    TechRequired = aerospaceTech
    entryCost = 85500
    cost = 19500
    category = Propulsion
    subcategory = 0
    title = SABRE M Engine
    manufacturer = Tetragon Projects
    description = Combined-cycle rocket engine. Mode #1 is a turbocompressed air-breathing rocket/ramjet engine. Mode #2 is a high efficiency rocket engine. More convenient and easier to pull off than relying on using multiple engine types, but marginally less efficient than some specialized combinations.

    // attachment rules: stack, srfAttach, allowStack, allowSrfAttach, allowCollision
    attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0

    // --- standard part parameters ---
    mass = 6
    dragModelType = default
    maximum_drag = 0.2
    minimum_drag = 0.2
    angularDrag = 2
    crashTolerance = 7
    breakingForce = 3000
    breakingTorque = 3000
    maxTemp = 3600

EFFECTS
{
  running_closed
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
    }
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_smokeTrail_aeroSpike
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.25
      speed = 1.0 1.0
      localOffset = 0, 0, 1
    }
    MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
    {
      modelName = Squad/FX/shockExhaust_blue_small
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.5
      speed = 1.0 1.2
    }
  }
  power_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_rocket_hard
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
    MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
    {
      modelName = Squad/FX/shockExhaust_red_small
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.5
      speed = 1.0 1.2
    }
  }
  running_open
  {
     AUDIO
     {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_jet_deep
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 1.0 1.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
     }
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_smokeTrail_aeroSpike
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.25
      speed = 1.0 1.0
      localOffset = 0, 0, 1
   }
  }
  engage
  {
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_vent_soft
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
  flameout
  {
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
    {
      prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout_2
      transformName = nozzle_transform
      oneShot = true
    }
    AUDIO
    {
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_explosion_low
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
    }
  }
}


MODULE
{
	name = MultiModeEngine
	primaryEngineID = AirBreathing
	secondaryEngineID = ClosedCycle
}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = AirBreathing
	directThrottleEffectName = power_open
	runningEffectName = running_open
	thrustVectorTransformName = nozzle_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 860
	heatProduction = 375
	useEngineResponseTime = True
	engineAccelerationSpeed = 0.2
	engineDecelerationSpeed = 0.35
	useVelocityCurve = True
        fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = LiquidFuel
		ratio = 1
		DrawGauge = True
	}
	PROPELLANT
	{
		name = IntakeAir
		ratio = 9
	}
    atmosphereCurve
    {
        //    Atm.P.  Isp   iTan oTan
        key = 0       2351  0    3.26E+07
        key = 7.5E-06 2564  0    0
        key = 0.0006  2159  0    0
        key = 0.11    2413  0    0
        key = 1       2084 -660  0
    }
    velocityCurve
    {
        //    m/s  %F    iTan   oTan
        key = 0    0.85  0     -0.0007
        key = 300  0.75  0      0
        key = 1500 1     0      0
        key = 1650 0.88 -0.003 -0.003
        key = 1800 0     0      0
    }

}
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = ClosedCycle
	runningEffectName = running_closed
	thrustVectorTransformName = nozzle_transform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 740
	heatProduction = 450
	fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
        useEngineResponseTime = False
	PROPELLANT
	{
	 	name = LiquidFuel
        	ratio = 0.9
		DrawGauge = True
	}
	PROPELLANT
	{
	 name = Oxidizer
	 ratio = 1.1
	}
	atmosphereCurve
 	{
   	 key = 0 385
  	 key = 1 370
 	}

}
  MODULE
    {
        name = ModuleAnimateHeat
        ThermalAnim = sabre_250_heat_nozzle
    }
MODULE
{
	name = ModuleGimbal
	gimbalTransformName = thrust_transform
	gimbalRange = 3
        //useGimbalResponseSpeed = true
}
    MODULE
    {
        name = ModuleAlternator
        RESOURCE
        {
            name = ElectricCharge
            rate = 10.0
        }
    }

    RESOURCE
    {
        name = ElectricCharge
        amount = 0
        maxAmount = 0
    }

}

Edited December 19, 2013 by Hodo

Tigermisu · December 19, 2013

Hodo, can I replace the original part.cfg of those engines with your code, instead of making a new one?

NathanKell · December 19, 2013

Hodo: you should also halve the heatProduction values of those engines, if you're using DRE.

Hodo · December 19, 2013

Hodo: you should also halve the heatProduction values of those engines, if you're using DRE.

Thats good to know, I will do that... because right now they heat up faster than a Lamborghini Gallardo in Arizona.

Hodo · December 19, 2013

Hodo, can I replace the original part.cfg of those engines with your code, instead of making a new one?

yes.. I will make one quick change as per NathanKell's wise suggestion.

firefox5926 · December 20, 2013

mean while on the outskirts of town ...

did bac9 just say

After all, there is still a pile of unreleased parts over here. ...

.... new...unreleased...parts... as in shine new parts?? and everyone else is talking about sabers...

Kass · December 20, 2013

mean while on the outskirts of town ...
did bac9 just say
After all, there is still a pile of unreleased parts over here. ...
.... new...unreleased...parts... as in shine new parts?? and everyone else is talking about sabers...

We don't want to hope too much Firefox or put pressure on Bac9

@Hodo, thanks for getting the SABRES working buddy.

Hodo · December 20, 2013

We don't want to hope too much Firefox or put pressure on Bac9
@Hodo, thanks for getting the SABRES working buddy.

Wasn't just me so I can't take any credit for that.

Spearka · December 20, 2013

will there be an updated version for .23?

Hodo · December 20, 2013

will there be an updated version for .23?

This is Bac9's baby, I am sure he will update it give him time.

Deathsoul097 · December 20, 2013

He already said he would try to put out an update in the next week or so, and that there is a bunch of new parts coming too.

Espresso · December 21, 2013

will there be an updated version for .23?

Please, for your own good, read the last few pages of a post before you ask a question like this, I'm being nice whne I say some people will jump on you and yell at their screens when you say that. Unless it's not been asked in previous pages. Or you can say 'Sorry if this has already been asked, but does this mod work in ________'. Just a word of advice.

RHodeidra · December 21, 2013

More parts ? Oh lollerskates yay

gre8 · December 21, 2013

Now that tweakables are stock, Is firespitter still gonna be a thing? Sure, there are the screens on the awesome cockpits, but those could be replaced by RasterPropMonitor glass cockpits plugin; which is amazing by the way.

Hector_919 · December 21, 2013

If there is an update necessary, I would like to request the SABREs' behaviour to be changed back to how they behaved in KSP 0.21 - less maximum thrust (640 if I remember correctly) but also less overheating. I liked those much better since the mechanics of the precoolers are not that easy to understand.

Murph · December 21, 2013

If there is an update necessary, I would like to request the SABREs' behaviour to be changed back to how they behaved in KSP 0.21 - less maximum thrust (640 if I remember correctly) but also less overheating. I liked those much better since the mechanics of the precoolers are not that easy to understand.

Just stack about 4 pre-coolers on the SABRE Ms, and you can run at 100% continuous air-breathing, and 100% for a reasonable time in rocket mode. There's not a lot to understand, just needs a little testing to confirm what throttle levels are ok on your build, as long as you do throw some pre-coolers on.

So, from my point of view, having played around with the SABREs fairly extensively in 0.22, there's nothing wrong with them as-is, they should not be changed. My request is to please do not nerf them, it's not necessary. They just need fixing to work with 0.23.

Edit: Oh, and tweakables will let you set your own max-thrust, which would let you limit overheating on a per-craft basis, tuned to the specific build.

Edited December 21, 2013 by Murph

wasmic · December 21, 2013

Now that tweakables are stock, Is firespitter still gonna be a thing? Sure, there are the screens on the awesome cockpits, but those could be replaced by RasterPropMonitor glass cockpits plugin; which is amazing by the way.

B9 still depends on the Firespitter plugin for the VTOL engines, and it allows for much more control over the steerable landing wheels.

Hector_919 · December 21, 2013

Just stack about 4 pre-coolers on the SABRE Ms, and you can run at 100% continuous air-breathing, and 100% for a reasonable time in rocket mode. There's not a lot to understand, just needs a little testing to confirm what throttle levels are ok on your build, as long as you do throw some pre-coolers on.
So, from my point of view, having played around with the SABREs fairly extensively in 0.22, there's nothing wrong with them as-is, they should not be changed. My request is to please do not nerf them, it's not necessary. They just need fixing to work with 0.23.

someone already told me to stack four precoolers in front of the SABRE M, but it didn't work either - they blew up at 30% Thrust in Rocket mode. how exactly did you build your Spacecraft?

even if they work as you say, I still prefer the old ones - they didn't give you that much of an advantage over the mainsail/jet engine combination as the new SABREs do

sirklick · December 21, 2013

someone already told me to stack four precoolers in front of the SABRE M, but it didn't work either - they blew up at 30% Thrust in Rocket mode. how exactly did you build your Spacecraft?
even if they work as you say, I still prefer the old ones - they didn't give you that much of an advantage over the mainsail/jet engine combination as the new SABREs do

Fuel distance from engine is generally a heavy influence here. Intake, pre-cooler, vertically challenged fuel tank, engine works quite well. Kerbal heat mechanics are... interesting.

Hodo · December 21, 2013

someone already told me to stack four precoolers in front of the SABRE M, but it didn't work either - they blew up at 30% Thrust in Rocket mode. how exactly did you build your Spacecraft?
even if they work as you say, I still prefer the old ones - they didn't give you that much of an advantage over the mainsail/jet engine combination as the new SABREs do

Precoolers do nothing in KSP currently.

The way you can keep your SABREs from overheating that fast is move them closer to the CoM of an object. It is the way KSP calculates the heat sinking abilities.

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