Orion aka "Ol' Boom-boom"

Nothalogh · August 6, 2015

Yep. The stack nodes need the vector rearranged for v1.0+. That means you'll be able to stack the parts, but the module to make pulsed drives work, doesn't. You can still check to see if your boosters can loft an Orion into orbit, but the Orion won't work just yet.

But, Orion IS my booster

TiktaalikDreaming · August 6, 2015

But, Orion IS my booster

All you need to do is fix up the module. Source code is in the zip.

:-)

totos_totidis · August 8, 2015

in what progaming language is this writen?

TiktaalikDreaming · August 8, 2015

in what progaming language is this writen?

I think modules are MS Visual C#, using some libraries from KSP and Unity. It wasn't perl, bash etc, so I ran away.

The last few tutes from Nifty255 listed on http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/94638-Mod-Development-Links-Compilation-START-HERE cover modules etc.

Edited August 8, 2015 by TiktaalikDreaming
updated with info link

wasml · August 9, 2015

Would checking the "Use Old Node Behavior" in the debug menu (Alt-F12) cure this?

TiktaalikDreaming · August 11, 2015

Would checking the "Use Old Node Behavior" in the debug menu (Alt-F12) cure this?

It would fix only those things fixed by replacing 1 with - 1 in the fifth figure for each parts' stack_node_bottom. Aka you'd be able to piece together a craft that doesn't work.

FreeThinker · August 11, 2015

Too bad this mod isn't properly maintained and doesn't include any license

Insidious611 · August 15, 2015

Tried this out in both 0.25 and 0.90 and I have one problem I'm hoping maybe someone else can help me with.

I can't get it to stop feeding bombs. That is to say, right clicking and pressing the "Kill 20MN" button does nothing. Nor does using an action group that has "Kill 20MN" in it. I want to be able to switch from 20 to 3.5, or to shut off the orion entirely and use radially attached "trim thrusters", but as of right now I can't figure out how to do either of these things because of this problem.

totos_totidis · August 16, 2015

maybe someone could release an unofficial patch.

TiktaalikDreaming · August 17, 2015

Tried this out in both 0.25 and 0.90 and I have one problem I'm hoping maybe someone else can help me with.
I can't get it to stop feeding bombs. That is to say, right clicking and pressing the "Kill 20MN" button does nothing. Nor does using an action group that has "Kill 20MN" in it. I want to be able to switch from 20 to 3.5, or to shut off the orion entirely and use radially attached "trim thrusters", but as of right now I can't figure out how to do either of these things because of this problem.

Link the actions to a control group and it tends to work then.

totos_totidis · September 11, 2015

Is this a quick fix to the replacement dll or does it need a lot of fixing?

zekes · September 11, 2015

Waaaaaait is this a thing still? Is it coming back?

billbobjebkirk · September 11, 2015

Waaaaaait is this a thing still? Is it coming back?

I sure hope so. It probably needs a ton of work to finish.

Nothalogh · September 12, 2015

I sure hope so. It probably needs a ton of work to finish.

The brutal truth is that this mod hasn't seen any real development since 0.25, it limped along in 0.90, post 1.0 I see no sign of it not being effectively dead

totos_totidis · September 12, 2015

which file has the problem? BombXferWindow.cs ModuleWindow.cs NukeFlash.cs NukeManager.cs NukeRound.cs OrionPusherPlate.cs or OrionMagazine.cs?

TiktaalikDreaming · September 14, 2015

which file has the problem? BombXferWindow.cs ModuleWindow.cs NukeFlash.cs NukeManager.cs NukeRound.cs OrionPusherPlate.cs or OrionMagazine.cs?

I'd guess at NukeFlash.cs or OrionPusherPlate.cs. The pulse units are selectable and fire out the back but never go boom.

FreeThinker · September 14, 2015

The brutal truth is that this mod hasn't seen any real development since 0.25, it limped along in 0.90, post 1.0 I see no sign of it not being effectively dead

True. This mod needs to be adopted or integrated by another developer. Too bad the mod doesn't contain any license

Edited September 14, 2015 by FreeThinker

totos_totidis · September 14, 2015

do you know why? TiktaalikDreaming

and freethinker we could ask nyrath.

TiktaalikDreaming · September 17, 2015

True. This mod needs to be adopted or integrated by another developer. Too bad the mod doesn't contain any license

From the top of every piece of source code;

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do you know why? TiktaalikDreaming

So far, I've just looked at effects in game. I don't even know how to begin debuging this sort of thing yet.

FreeThinker · September 17, 2015

I suggest you do it one step at the time, if possible with an old copy of KSP in which Orion still worked. Add lot's of control variable which can are being made visible on the parts.

Disable code until you start to get some useful behavior

damerell · September 18, 2015

From the top of every piece of source code;

Well spotted. DuoDex, the moderator, has kindly edited the OP to reflect this for the time being until nyrath cares to comment.

totos_totidis · September 18, 2015

Now all we need is someone willing who can code.

TiktaalikDreaming · September 18, 2015

Now all we need is someone willing who can code.

I'm willing, can code in completely different languages and have downloaded some Visual Studio thing. Gotta say there's a learning curve here that's a bit steep.

Anyway, after doing a helloworld to get the absolute basics down, at least now I know where the logs should be.

Seems (in v1.0.4 with current USAFOrion dlls) I get the following, which *seems* like it might be the problem;

MissingFieldException: Field '.Part.temperature' not found.
  at USAFOrion.OrionPusherPlate.doPlateAnimation () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at USAFOrion.OrionPusherPlate.onActiveFixedUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

  at Part.FixedUpdate () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0 

(Filename:  Line: -1)

I'm gonna start up the old 0.9 to check that doesn't happen in there, aka background noise.

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And the log from a 0.9 that has a working USAFOrion mod;


activating stage 1 - current stage: 2

(Filename: C:/BuildAgent/work/d63dfc6385190b60/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 49)

[USAFOrionEngineExposed]: Activated

(Filename: C:/BuildAgent/work/d63dfc6385190b60/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 49)

[00:00:00]: Liftoff!!

(Filename: C:/BuildAgent/work/d63dfc6385190b60/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 49)

1 explosions created.

(Filename: C:/BuildAgent/work/d63dfc6385190b60/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 49)

1 explosions created.

(Filename: C:/BuildAgent/work/d63dfc6385190b60/artifacts/StandalonePlayerGenerated/UnityEngineDebug.cpp Line: 49)

1 explosions created.

And, I'd forgotten how cool the Orion can be.

Plus, I can't get the old source to compile. I have no idea what I'm doing in Visual Studio or mono, or C#.

If I could sort out some basics of using the VS IDE, having things linked in the right areas, grabbing the current TAClib code (it's on Github) properly (I updated what I have, but there's more to it than what's in Nyrath's source now, not sure if I need the whole lot or not), etc etc, then I can add in some debug messages and maybe find out what's going on.

At the moment, because I can't compile because I can't figure out how things link (or in fact have much idea about what I'm doing) then I doubt even finding the cause (maybe switching .Part.temperature for whatever v1.+ uses as a temp variable) will allow me to fix.

So, more learning C# for me I thinks. Bear with me, this may take months. :-/

Nothalogh · September 19, 2015

I'd forgotten how cool the Orion can be.

No true Kerbal would admit to such a thing

totos_totidis · September 19, 2015

What do you mean with old source code? The original orion code, the first replacement dll code or the second replacement dll code?

Orion aka "Ol' Boom-boom"

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