[1.12.X] Tantares - Stockalike Soyuz and MIR [16.1][28.05.2024][Mars Expedition WIP]

[NotAgain]

Are there RealPlume configs for the new parts yet?

[Drakenex]

7 minutes ago, NotAgain said:

Are there RealPlume configs for the new parts yet?

@VenomousRequiemhe is talking to you

[NotAgain]

3 minutes ago, Drakenex said:

VenomousRequiemhe is talking to you

HE'S JUST INQUIRING! I just wanted to know if I'd missed them somehow.

[Drakenex]

@BealeIs possible to have semi-deployed panels for Zarya? That's the only missing part for the perfect ISS. Thanks!

 

[DerpyFirework]

15 minutes ago, NotAgain said:

Are there RealPlume configs for the new parts yet?

I've been takinng care of this quietly in the background, adding them to the main RealPlume-Stock package as parts are released on GitHub (Check the RP-Stock repo)

On a related note, @Beale, if you want the RealPlume configs as part of Tantares/TantaresLV, I can submit a pull request for them and you could merge it when you make a release, so then people don't have to wait until RP-Stock updates to get RealPlume support (although your custom FX looks great!)

[NeoFatalis]

1 minute ago, Drakenex said:

@BealeIs possible to have semi-deployed panels for Zarya? That's the only missing part for the perfect ISS. Thanks!

It would mean that the panels would need to have 2 modes (fully closed and half closed) otherwise it would be awkward to launch them 

[Drakenex]

2 minutes ago, DerpyFirework said:

I've been takinng care of this quietly in the background, adding them to the main RealPlume-Stock package as parts are released on GitHub (Check the RP-Stock repo)

On a related note, @Beale, if you want the RealPlume configs as part of Tantares/TantaresLV, I can submit a pull request for them and you could merge it when you make a release, so then people don't have to wait until RP-Stock updates to get RealPlume support (although your custom FX looks great!)

great! thanks.

@VenomousRequiemsorry!

[Beale]

1 hour ago, Drakenex said:

@BealeIs possible to have semi-deployed panels for Zarya? That's the only missing part for the perfect ISS. Thanks!

 

Zarya panels are for sure in the works, butr half deployed has similar issues to the 2-stage MIR dorsal panel I posted some page back.

1 hour ago, DerpyFirework said:

I've been takinng care of this quietly in the background, adding them to the main RealPlume-Stock package as parts are released on GitHub (Check the RP-Stock repo)

On a related note, @Beale, if you want the RealPlume configs as part of Tantares/TantaresLV, I can submit a pull request for them and you could merge it when you make a release, so then people don't have to wait until RP-Stock updates to get RealPlume support (although your custom FX looks great!)

That would be awesome! The perks of using Github  

On 28/02/2017 at 2:34 AM, CaptKordite said:

My Mir 2 Proyekt 1993

More pictures on Flickr.

Craft files at Kerbal X.

That is next-level amazing, @CaptKordite!

[Legcutter]

18 hours ago, InsaneDruid said:

...like the whole service compartment of a sojuz was used in the first saljut instead of the rear docking section, then the new rear docking ring but still sojuz solar arrays.

...the later TKS can carry two sets of the 4*2 arrangements of cylindrical tanks plus radiators - one on the "original" and one on the "elongated" hull of the 2900mm section.

Good info, but these things leave me confused:

1) There was no intention to fit in a rear docking port on first stations, so it'll be more accurate to say that the late Salyuts had this port alongside with some new engine and life support systems instead of old Soyuz' SC. A-and, there was never a station "with the new rear docking ring but still sojuz solar arrays" - on the contrary it was new solar panels and old SC on Salyut-4

2) This module is called FGB, or Zarya - not "late TKS".
The base of all these looking alike TKS-Mir-ISS conic-bottomed modules (excluding Kvant-1) is called "heavy multi-purpose platform". This platform was widely used for modification - as a TKS ship with addition of VA capsule, as a space tug for engineless Kvant-1 module, as a base for four Mir orbital complex (the word "station" is for dull people only ) specialised modules, and as ISS Zarya module.
If the specific module is used just for providing some usable space, control, throttle and power supply, and not in role of some specialised module like Kvant-2, Kristall, Spektr or Priroda - it's called FGB, wich is russian for "functional and cargo block".

[Beale]

Any info on how the Zarya, Zvezda and Mir solar panels were stowed is appreciated, this feels wrong:

@InsaneDruid I feel like you know this kind of thing! eh?  

[Drakenex]

33 minutes ago, Beale said:

Any info on how the Zarya, Zvezda and Mir solar panels were stowed is appreciated, this feels wrong:

 

@InsaneDruid I feel like you know this kind of thing! eh?  

For Zarya they look to have an internal folding mechanism

[Beale]

6 minutes ago, Drakenex said:

For Zarya they look to have an internal folding mechanism

Nice!

Is still a little hard to see how they fit in the fairings though. They fold flat?

[Drakenex]

1 minute ago, Beale said:

Nice!

Is still a little hard to see how they fit in the fairings though. They fold flat?

yup, very flat, not soyuz like

[Beale]

1 hour ago, Drakenex said:

yup, very flat, not soyuz like

Thanks for the reference pic!

Damn, that confuses slightly how I will do this.

[Beale]

GitHub

Get your curved solar panels here.

All the naming-issues are fixed now, so hopefully no more breaking issues between WIP releases.
Just be careful if you are already using the unreleased parts when updating.

Alter craft files as so to keep them working: Craft files are plain text FYI, you can edit in notepad.

Eridani_Lab_1 -> Acamar_Lab_1
Eridani_SolarLab_1 -> Acamar_Solar_1
Eridani_Mid_1 -> Eridani_Crew_1
Eridani_Rear_1 -> Eridani_Crew_2
Eridani_Solar_1 -> Eridani_Solar_1_1 (x_2 is the curved solar panel)
Eridani_Solar_2 -> Eridani_Solar_2_1
Eridani_RearMount_1 -> Eridani_Mount_2 (This one sounds stupid but there is a legitimate reason).

Edited March 1, 2017 by Beale

[InsaneDruid]

3 hours ago, Drakenex said:

yup, very flat, not soyuz like

Wrong.

They all are "cylinder-hugging", just with different mechanisms.

"Ye olde" TKS (like the Kvant tug) had panels that where built from panels shaped like ˆ and ˇ : and thus never folder flat, like early Soyuz.

See this image: (from a Soyuz)

And here on Kvant-1

(you can also see the fairing nose cone)

the hinges where on the top and bottom side as seen in this image (like on the front and back on the craft when erected on the pad)

Here on a later unmanned Almaz-T radar "satellite" (an unmanned Almaz station with huge side looking "sword" radar antennas)

the later designs folded much more complicated in a way also used on the yet to be launched Nauka:

but they still "hug" the cylinder:

in this design, there is a central frame elements with hinges on the front and back (as located in the image above), thus like on top and bottom when the vehicle is erected. On this elements the actual panels are attached with hinged on the top and bottom (as as located in the image above) (like on the front and back on the craft when erected on the pad). It should be clear from the images. This way, the actual panels could be feature another fold.

Like so:

Hinges are the Red, Green and Purple lines. Imagine this panel setup fold from open to close (reverse from the actual opening sequence)., First fold the extension panels along the purple lines 180° back to back with the main panels. Then Fold the center structures along the red hinges 180°, and then fold along the green lines about some degrees to hug the cylindrical spacecraft.

You can see this setup uses on main panels of the main module of Mir: (but the later added third one uses a scissor mechanic)

and also on Zarya (but in this images, only the "red" hinges are folded partially.

I have coloured the hinged according to my drawing from above:

Here is an image showing the unfolding sequence of such an array:

EDIT:

the only "flat" panels where on some of the early Almaz type Saljut stations carrying Soyuz panels besides the rear (only) docking port:

Edited March 1, 2017 by InsaneDruid

[Drakenex]

32 minutes ago, InsaneDruid said:

Wrong.

They all are "cylinder-hugging", just with different mechanisms.

"Ye olde" TKS (like the Kvant tug) had panels that where built from panels shaped like ˆ and ˇ : and thus never folder flat, like early Soyuz.

See this image: (from a Soyuz)

 

And here on Kvant-1

 

(you can also see the fairing nose cone)

the hinges where on the top and bottom side as seen in this image (like on the front and back on the craft when erected on the pad)

Here on a later unmanned Almaz-T radar "satellite" (an unmanned Almaz station with huge side looking "sword" radar antennas)

 

the later designs folded much more complicated in a way also used on the yet to be launched Nauka:

 

but they still "hug" the cylinder:

 

in this design, there is a central frame elements with hinges on the front and back (as located in the image above), thus like on top and bottom when the vehicle is erected. On this elements the actual panels are attached with hinged on the top and bottom (as as located in the image above) (like on the front and back on the craft when erected on the pad). It should be clear from the images. This way, the actual panels could be feature another fold.

Like so:

 

Hinges are the Red, Green and Purple lines. Imagine this panel setup fold from open to close (reverse from the actual opening sequence)., First fold the extension panels along the purple lines 180° back to back with the main panels. Then Fold the center structures along the red hinges 180°, and then fold along the green lines about some degrees to hug the cylindrical spacecraft.

You can see this setup uses on main panels of the main module of Mir: (but the later added third one uses a scissor mechanic)

 

and also on Zarya (but in this images, only the "red" hinges are folded partially.

I have coloured the hinged according to my drawing from above:

 

Here is an image showing the unfolding sequence of such an array:

 

EDIT:

the only "flat" panels where on some of the early Almaz type Saljut stations carrying Soyuz panels besides the rear (only) docking port:

 

I stand corrected, my source was a lot of models from orbiter and other simulation, I guess they were lazy! my sincere apologies @Beale was right to trust you!

Edited March 2, 2017 by Drakenex

[Gunslinger1]

Hey Beale, I'm sure I'm the umpteenth person to ask this but in the current download the black Soyuz TMA texture doesn't apply to the engine block. Is there something I'm doing wrong or is the download incomplete?

[Legcutter]

Folded Mir base block solar panels:

I have literally no idea of how this thing is working, but I suppose @InsaneDruid is right)

[InsaneDruid]

10 hours ago, Drakenex said:

I stand corrected, my source was a lot of models from orbiter and other simulation, I guess they were lazy! my sincere apologies @Beale was right to trust you!

No need to apologize! Problem are many false sources. Even wiki shows this infamous image https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VA_spacecraft#/media/File:TKS_cutaway.png

and this is then often used to model a tks (like shown here: http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6211/6312866521_9d50376bae_b.jpg

resulting in completely wrong dimensions, false and missing tapers, completely false inner config (as it shows a later variant fgb without the rear cockpit) - even the sources states "Details are conjectural".

 

[Beale]

18 hours ago, InsaneDruid said:

- snip -

 

Wow! A big post, but very seriously - thank you!

I will re-design the unfurl animation to hopefully be much nicer!

[Beale]

This is what I have from @InsaneDruid's diagram - from stage 1 (folded) to stage 3 (deployed).

Of course that is just one section of the panel, it's a lot of object to animate.

[DerpyFirework]

@Beale, would it be alright if I submitted the new Tantares mods to CKAN? I've already made the metadata files and just wanted to ask permission first.

Thanks in advance!

Edited March 2, 2017 by DerpyFirework

[Beale]

18 hours ago, Gunslinger1 said:

Hey Beale, I'm sure I'm the umpteenth person to ask this but in the current download the black Soyuz TMA texture doesn't apply to the engine block. Is there something I'm doing wrong or is the download incomplete?

I'll fix it soon.

2 minutes ago, DerpyFirework said:

@Beale, would it be alright if I submitted the new Tantares mods to CKAN? I've already made the metadata files and just wanted to ask permission first.

Thanks in advance!

No problem.

[Moiety]

Humble beginnings

 

After a lot of stability issues I picked up KSP again with the new Tantares. I follow Historical Progression in a career save. This is my (very incorrect) interpretation of Salyut 1 and Soyuz 11:

 

Completed station with a core module, science lab, a Soyuz space craft, and a tug for moving parts around.

 

Launch day, a N11 rocket houses the Salyut 1 space station core.

 

We have lift-off!

 

The N11 midway through its gravity turn at around 40 KM altitude.

 

Separation of the first stage and ignition of the second stage.

 

At an altitude of 50 KM it’s time to loose the fairing, we can finally see the station, you can also make out the first stage falling back in the background.

 

At an altitude of 250 KM (our final orbital height) we ditch the second stage and go at it on our own.

 

Two little, but quite powerful engines propel the station core into a circular orbit.

 

Once circularisation is done, it’s time to unfold the solar panels.

 

They unfold just in time to wave at KSC down below.

 

 

We need to science

 

Launch of the DPV science module (in memory of Dobrovolsky, Patsayev, and Volkov)

 

After separation of the first stage and fairings, the tug and DPV science module are revealed.

 

Coming up over the Salyut 1.

 

We carefully manoeuvre the DPV science module to Salyut 1’s aft docking node.

 

Docked!

 

Soyuz 11 coming up over Salyut 1.

 

Closing in on one of the front docking nodes. Soyuz 11’s shadow visible on Salyut 1’s solar panels and core module.

 

Successfully docked.

 

End result, for now, we moved the tug to one of the front nodes to make way for another Soyuz craft.