[1.7.3] Community Delta-V Map 2.7

[dave1904]

What do I need to make a wikifile? I want to make this for 2.5 rescale. 

[Ithendyr]

2 hours ago, dave1904 said:

What do I need to make a wikifile? I want to make this for 2.5 rescale. 

You can find easily tutorials about how to create a KSPedia page.

 

Just for curiosity, why you want to make a scale-up ? To see better ?

I think you cannot zoom in a KSPedia page and it's a fixed size (2048px*1536px).

[dave1904]

36 minutes ago, Pepepito said:

You can find easily tutorials about how to create a KSPedia page.

 

Just for curiosity, why you want to make a scale-up ? To see better ?

I think you cannot zoom in a KSPedia page and it's a fixed size (2048px*1536px).

I mean rescale 2.5 delta v. I do not know if you know the rescale mod but when you change the size of kerbin you no longer have 3500m/s LKO but in my case 5000~

Your link doesnt work. 

Edited February 15, 2021 by dave1904

[Ithendyr]

5 minutes ago, dave1904 said:

I mean rescale 2.5 delta v. I do not know if you know the rescale mod but when you change the size of kerbin you no longer have 3500m/s LKO but in my case 5000~

Your link doesnt work. 

No i doesn't know which mod you talk about. Do you have the exact name ?

With this mod you can change the scale as you want (when you start a new game) ? Is not a static configuration ?

 

About the link, if you talk about the underline of the text "how to create a KSPedia page", is just an underline, not a link

You can find easily a lot of tutorials about this. For exemple :

 

[dave1904]

Just now, Pepepito said:

No i doesn't know which mod you talk about. Do you have the exact name ?

With this mod you can change the scale as you want (when you start a new game) ? Is not a static configuration ?

 

About the link, if you talk about the underline of the text "how to create a KSPedia page", is just an underline, not a link

You can find easily a lot of tutorials about this. For exemple :

 

Thank you. 

Anyway I mean this mod. Its actually a config. You need kopernicus and sigma dimensions to get it working. I play on 2.5 because mods like bluedog design and redirect are designed for 2.5 kerbal. I like longer launches  You should check it out. 

 

[Ithendyr]

Thanks for the information.

About the creation of a KSPedia page, i'm not a developper but i think you need to take the correct version of Unity, PartTools and TextMesh Pro dedicated or compatible with the version of KSP your mod are supposed to work with.

You should find all the information you need here: https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/forum/36-add-on-development/

[Phil deCube]

G'day,

I have a problem if I have both Community Delta V Map and Planet Wiki installed together. 

It seems like Planet Wiki takes the selection of "Kerbol" in Community Delta V Map and opens the Planet Wiki page instead of the Delta V Map.

I have version 2:2.8 of the Map and version 1:4.1 of the Wiki.

https://imgur.com/TBl9Hei

[Ithendyr]

Thanks for your feedback.

I've installed the same versions of you and i can't reproduce this bug. Try to reinstall your mods, i think it will soluce it.

_{EDIT: You have inexistant pages on your KSPedia.}

 

My screenshots with the same mods : https://imgur.com/a/WYtlbEm

Edited February 16, 2021 by Pepepito
Minor orthograph corrections

[Phil deCube]

16 hours ago, Ithendyr said:

Thanks for your feedback.

I've installed the same versions of you and i can't reproduce this bug. Try to reinstall your mods, i think it will soluce it.

_{EDIT: You have inexistant pages on your KSPedia.}

 

My screenshots with the same mods : https://imgur.com/a/WYtlbEm

Hmm... weird. Thanks for checking. I had the same problem in version 1.10. I can fix it by removing Planet Wiki, so that's what I'll do. Cheers.

[Phil deCube]

17 hours ago, Ithendyr said:

Thanks for your feedback.

I've installed the same versions of you and i can't reproduce this bug. Try to reinstall your mods, i think it will soluce it.

_{EDIT: You have inexistant pages on your KSPedia.}

 

My screenshots with the same mods : https://imgur.com/a/WYtlbEm

Ah! I see now what you mean about the "inexistant" pages.

That's the reason I was having problems. I was clicking on those "inexistent" pages, instead of the other Delta V Map page.

All sorted out now. Thanks!

[jlcarneiro]

On 2/16/2021 at 12:32 AM, Phil deCube said:

G'day,

I have a problem if I have both Community Delta V Map and Planet Wiki installed together. 

It seems like Planet Wiki takes the selection of "Kerbol" in Community Delta V Map and opens the Planet Wiki page instead of the Delta V Map.

I have version 2:2.8 of the Map and version 1:4.1 of the Wiki.

https://imgur.com/TBl9Hei

Same problem here!

[jlcarneiro]

I installed version 2.8 of Community DeltaV Map and 4.1 of Planet Wiki and things got reversed: PlanetWiki's Kerbol page has been replaced by DeltaV Map's Kerbol System page.

I mean, there's still a problem. But, since I don't go to Kerbol that often, it's a minor one.

I THINK both mods are using the same ID to that page or something like that...

Any ideas?

This post on the other thread:

 

Edited April 5, 2021 by jlcarneiro

[gilflo]

Hello guys

How do you use this mod?

Just set the Delta-V Map.ksp in the Squad>Kspedia folder ?

It does not work for me

[jlcarneiro]

47 minutes ago, gilflo said:

Hello guys

How do you use this mod?

Just set the Delta-V Map.ksp in the Squad>Kspedia folder ?

It does not work for me

Hello!

To install it, download it in Gamedata folder, just that.

To  use it, just open KSPedia when playing the game and look for the apropriate tabs/entries... ;-)

[jlcarneiro]

On 4/4/2021 at 6:00 PM, jlcarneiro said:

I installed version 2.8 of Community DeltaV Map and 4.1 of Planet Wiki and things got reversed: PlanetWiki's Kerbol page has been replaced by DeltaV Map's Kerbol System page.

I mean, there's still a problem. But, since I don't go to Kerbol that often, it's a minor one.

I THINK both mods are using the same ID to that page or something like that...

Any ideas?

This post on the other thread:

 

Since the modders are busy, can anyone else help with this?

[navaati]

Hi guys, I was using this image so often that I printed it as a poster and put it on my wall just next to my computer (in format A2), because it also look real cool ! Big cheers to the authors !

Check it out:

[jlcarneiro]

On 6/1/2021 at 3:13 PM, navaati said:

Hi guys, I was using this image so often that I printed it as a poster and put it on my wall just next to my computer (in format A2), because it also look real cool ! Big cheers to the authors !

Check it out:

Nice! 

(but I'm still humbly waiting for a fixed KSPedia version )

[king of nowhere]

while the map is useful, it has a limitation: it only works for mission starting from Kerbin. For planning a Jool 5 or a Grand Tour, it is basically useless.

I was thinking on adding information to the deltaV map that would make it more helpful for those kind of missions, allowing a realistic estimate of the cost of moving from one moon to the next.

Would such an undertaking be appreciated? If I manage it, is there some chance that the "official" map gets revised with new information?

 

Edited July 6, 2021 by king of nowhere

[Blaarkies]

In case it just gets lost in the deeper nested post above, here is a delta-v calculator that I have been working on. Unlike the subway maps, this can determine the delta-v requirements for missions that do not start/end at Kerbin, and handles multiple checkpoints if you plan on going to more than one place.
It is not a paper map, but it runs on a tablet/phone so it could be a useful guide on your desk while playing KSP 
 

[Llamageddon]

I hope it's alright posting to an old thread in this case, as I couldn't see anywhere better to post it and much of the information here is still relevant.

I just thought I may as well share an updated OPM map I made for myself. I've no idea what I'm doing with vector graphics, but it seems to have turned out OK. Mostly I've just updated some numbers (particularly orbits taking into account upper atmospheres) and added Karen to the Plock system. I also uploaded it as a KSPedia mod, as that was the reason I wanted this in the first place. If I've made any glaring errors, let me know.

I've not done nearly as good a job as u/s13g3 at making a dark theme, but did what I could with the assets I could find to work with. It uses the same Creative Commons licence, though, so at least someone can use any of the updated data that might be useful, and improve upon this if they want to. Don't feel you need to credit me if you use this, I just credited myself, so people knew who to blame for any mistakes in this version.

I accidentally made a thicc kraken, so had to add it in there.

All credit goes to everyone who already worked on the community Delta-V maps.*

*I decided to look into this further, as this has been an ongoing for community effort for almost 10 years. I found it quite interesting, but got a bit carried away, then decided I might as well include my own notes in a narrative fashion, as this amused me. The following is a timeline and credits for the Community Delta-V Maps as best as I can make them out. Anything encased in "---" or "[" / "]" can be ignored, and are just poetic licence and/or an attempt at humour.

Spoiler

Community Delta-V Map credits and timeline:

--- Prehistoric origins ---
Original concept and prototyping by WAC (WAC's Delta-V Map for KSP 0.23) *Date unknown. Original source no longer available?

--- Chronicling, in the Age of the Space Walrus, begins ---
Subsequent revisions/update by Kowgan as Community Delta-V Maps - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/) *c.2014/10/16

--- Age of The Space Walrus ends. Age of The Kraken begins ---
Redesign to current format by swashlebucky - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/6/#comment-2112217) *2015/08/09

Uploaded to github by merlinthered (swashlebucky) as part of Cheat Sheets for Kerbal Space Program - (https://github.com/merlinthered/ksp_cheat_sheets) *2015/08/12

shwshlebucky's OPM version - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/6/#comment-2119002) *2015/08/13

Forked and maintained by Kowgan - (https://github.com/Kowgan/ksp_cheat_sheets) *c.2015/08/27

--- Digital revolution begins ---
Original KSPedia implementation of the Community Map by AlexSheFF - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/137628-kspedia-creation-tutorial/page/2/#comment-2605581) *2016/05/28

Original OPM version for KSPedia by AlexSheFF - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/137628-kspedia-creation-tutorial/page/2/#comment-2613311) *2016/06/02

[AlexSheFF's KSPedia versions officially included in the Community Delta-V Maps] - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/11/#comment-2650230) *2016/06/27

--- Earliest historical record of "Karen" being mentioned ---
[Karen declared missing. Leading scientist not certain this can be remedied easily] - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/11/#comment-2676714) *2016/07/15

--- "Lights-out" edition discovered. Creatures of the night rejoice. ---
"Lights-out" edition by u/sg13g3 - (https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/4whaym/ksp_deltav_map_lightsout_theme/) *c.2016/08

"Lights-out" OPM edition by u/sg13g3 - (https://www.reddit.com/r/KerbalSpaceProgram/comments/4wn0u3/ksp_outer_planets_deltav_map_lightsout_theme/) *c.2016/08

Maps updated for OPM 1.7.5/1.8.1 by Siege - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/11/#comment-2710274) *2016/08/09

CommNet editions' data by Malah - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/12/) *2016/09/16

--- The Dark Age begins ---
[First report of KSPedia version not working in v1.9 of KSP] - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/18/#comment-3743846) *2020/02/20

[A ray of hope blossoms with tinygrox releasing a 1.9.1 update for the KSPedia map] - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/19/#comment-3805971) *2020/06/19

[Tragedy unfolds, as the latest scientific breakthrough is lost to time {KSPedia version reported to be no longer working}] - (https://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/87463-173-community-delta-v-map-27/page/19/#comment-3899497) *2020/12/26

--- The Modern Age ---
[The idiot savant, Llamageddon, stumbles upon ancient relics, dating back to the Age of the Walrus. Using two rocks and the unique technique known as "Rubbing face across keyboard until something works" they manage to recreate this wondrous lost technology, for use in The Modern Age. Is this the dawn of a new era, or another blip in The Dark Age? Only time will tell.]

=== Heroes of Legend ===
Credits to those I cannot find original source material to reference (but thank you just as much):

-JellyCubes (Original concept)
-CuriousMetaphor (Original vacuum numbers)
-Armisael (Additional vacuum numbers)
-AlexMoon (Time of flight)
-"Various reddit users" (Data for some revised Delta-V numbers)

As more than one person has liked this, I feel it is worth my time at least making a to-do list for potential improvements. I'm not guaranteeing anything, but if nothing else, the following might be some ideas for anyone else who wants to expand upon this in the future:

• Release the current .svg source on github, in the spirit of the Creative Commons licence.
• Tidy up the Plock/Karen branch, to make it a bit less aesthetically erratic.
• Independently verify the current Delta-V values, especially where/if there is any clear consensus they are flawed (or if there is a notable lack of consensus).
• Double check values are correct for latest OPM release.
• Add the Space Walrus back in, for nostalgic reasons.
• Release a "companion" almanac expansion for the KSPedia, with useful, related information (such as a transfer guide for transfers between the Joolian moons).

Edit: Updated Delta-V totals for Karen, which were off by -40.

Edit2: Update to credits

Edited May 8, 2023 by Llamageddon
Credits

[eightiesboi]

I disagree with one thing you said: 

11 hours ago, Llamageddon said:

All credit goes to everyone who already worked on the community Delta-V maps.

Thanks for helping keep up KSP. I rarely comment anymore, but this was worth crawling out from my cave. :)

[Llamageddon]

Edit: Panic over, sort of. Upon closer inspection, OPM numbers, in fact, seem to give a high margin of error for delta-v requirements, though that might be down to me needing to get better averages. Either way, it seems like you shouldn't need to worry about getting stranded, at least.

Just posting sort of PSA: It turns out the outer planet delta-v totals are not very perfectly accurate at all. For the most part, they are much lower than the minimum actually required. (I need to replicate how averages were originally worked out, but they seem to give a very high margin for error). Keep this in mind if you are using the current map for reference. Adding at least an extra 20% is recommended. I'll see if I can do a quick hotfix update to at least get these closer to a ballpark figure. It will take a while to get them as accurate as they were for previous versions of OPM, but hopefully that can be done for a major update at a later date.

So, after a brief investigation into the current delta-V numbers, as far as I can tell:

• In general, I think it is probably worth running all the numbers again.
• I need to spend some time considering which calculations/calculators are the best options available to use by default.
• Most of the outer planet numbers are way off marginally off, even taking into account only really significantly, where the orbit has been raised to new atmosphere heights.
• The inner planet numbers are all pretty accurate, but need to be standardised. None are obviously wrong, but they match different delta-v calculators' numbers. Also, some of the totals are summed incorrectly (still accurate to within 50 m/s). All of these minor errors are a result of my mixing and matching, not the original authors' mistakes.
• I'm not sure the best way to work out SOI intercept delta-v and elliptical orbit delta-v totals. Looking into various options for this. If anyone knows a good way of calculating delta-V to elliptical orbit, especially if this data can be extrapolated using Alex Moon's planner, I'd be very grateful for any pointers.
• Some nuance may be needed for calculating the delta-V requirements for landing on bodies with atmospheres. This is something I've not looked at closely before.
• I probably need to carefully consider what is, and what isn't worth spending a lot of time on, or prioritising. E.g. - Forking Alex Moon's window planner looks very tempting, and easy, and would let me customise the atmospheres for related OPM bodies, but is probably a terrible idea as I know nearly nothing about coding.

The current numbers are based on the most recent delta-V numbers I could find here, but do keep in mind (especially regarding OPM) that the current numbers are not guaranteed to be accurate for high precision mission planning. They should be good enough for "government work" though.

Edited May 11, 2023 by Llamageddon
Accurate information

[gonzomendozza]

awesome addition and customisation of the delta-v map. just recently re-discovered ksp in my games library.

sorry i don't know if ideas for features in future releases are allowed or still worth the effort in an old game.

have you thought about even expanding the map by adding the dyno system?

greetings. awesome work. continuing learning to fly.

[king of nowhere]

One mistake in the map: nissee is indicated as having a relatively large, vall-like deltaV to orbit, when in truth it's smaller than minmus. it should be 120 m/s or so

[Attila1616]

Hi everyone!

I've been delving into the intricacies of Outer Planets Mod (OPM) lately and stumbled upon several discrepancies in the Delta-V map. For instance, the map suggests a rather inefficient route to all the new moons, involving a detour through the main planet's low orbit before adjusting the apoapsis to match the moon's orbit. Additionally, there have been discussions in the forum about inaccuracies in certain Delta-V values.
While exploring the web, I came across a forum post by @kjgoebel featuring a handwritten Delta-V map with seemingly accurate values. This inspired me to locate the official GitHub repository of the OPM Delta-V map. After some digging, I managed to find it and decided to revamp the existing map with corrected Delta-V values (some rounded up) and structural modifications to align with the vanilla system layout. I haven't changed any of the text or the credits, so they might be outdated.

Here's the updated Delta-V map I've crafted:

In tandem with these Delta-V changes, I've also downloaded and modified this useful website, which automates Delta-V calculations between different celestial bodies. While the online version doesn't update, you can open the modified HTML file I've provided, and all the calculations should be consistent with the Delta-V map. Please note that my coding skills are quite bad, and I encountered some slider issues that affect aesthetics, but the functionality remains intact. I've uploaded all the modified HTML and CSS files, along with the Delta-V map and its SVG file. This allows you to make local adjustments using Inkscape if needed.

[Link to Files]

_{This is my first post ever on the forums, so I apologize for any mistakes.}

Edited January 20 by Attila1616
Wrong Delta-V map image.