Ways to convince people that the Moon landings were real

[dronkit]

three words: www.clavius.org

[Bill Phil]

Well, we did spend billions of dollars, I doubt on a soundstage.

[razark]

One of the best arguments against the Apollo hoax argument: What did the Soviets get for faking it?

The Soviet Union had their own space program, with their own radio network, and they knew what needed to be done to get to the moon. The Soviet Union was the one entity that not only stood to gain a huge propaganda victory over the US, but also had an independent ability to confirm or disprove the Apollo landings.

If it was fake, how did NASA keep the Soviets quiet?

Although, you want to know why haven't we been back since Apollo 17? Well, that's easy. They broke the moon and Lunar Lander sets. Everyone knows the the crew of Apollo 12 were a bunch of clowns. What isn't well known is the pranks they played on other crews. For example, on Apollo 13, the 12 crew hid the moon set from them. That's why NASA did the whole "accident" thing. If you watch the movie Apollo 13, Tom Hanks says "We just lost the moon." This was a true statement, but he wasn't speaking figuratively. They actually couldn't find the moon sets, so there was no landing. After Apollo 17, the 12 crew pulled another one of their famous pranks. What happened isn't exactly clear, because the people who know what happened have been carefully silenced, either through bribes or other means, to hide the truth. What is known is that after 17, both the moon sets and the Lunar Lander sets were destroyed, and couldn't be reconstructed. The Apollo capsule set was saved, so they were able to reuse it to fake the entire Skylab program. The space shuttle program was all done with CGI, though.

Bonus points if you can repeat that to a hoaxer with a straight face.

Edited December 6, 2014 by razark

[dryer_lint]

The Apollo astronauts left retro-reflectors on the moon that could reflect telescope lasers back to Earth. Experiments today still show that the reflectors are there.

Also, if there was no moon landing, then what was this doing:

[razark]

Ugh.

Same old stupid arguments. I do wish they would come up with something new for once.

[LABHOUSE]

The people who say it didn't happen are crazy. My Dad saw it launch and still doesn't believe it is real do to "shadows being off".

[WinkAllKerb'']

I always get a kick out of the Mitchell and Webb Moon landing conspiracy comedy sketch:

classics always work roflmao (yup never really been a LoL adept even before it clone itself_e sport contest ; roflmao is much stronger than any legend or myth leagued in the myst to point and click out a good time xD)

Edited December 6, 2014 by WinkAllKerb''

[SubzeroSpartan7]

The Apollo astronauts left retro-reflectors on the moon that could reflect telescope lasers back to Earth. Experiments today still show that the reflectors are there.

Also, if there was no moon landing, then what was this doing:

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017d3d759ecf970c-800wi.jpg

If the moon landings were fake as these people seem to believe for some reason. It would have been more expensive to do it for real. Not only would they need to send a rocket with the crew in it into space for the public to watch, then they would have needed a facility large enough for them to film a rover driving on for a few hours in the later missions. Plus what would have been the point of faking Apollo 13?

[MBobrik]

Best way, assuming hypothetical doubters capable of rational thought, would be to build a crowd-funded satellite to fly by really low ( like a few km low ) and take detailed pictures of the site.

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But today's apollo hoaxers main motivation is not rational. They are not interested in truth. They deny it just as an expression of their loathing of America, western governments, western civilization and so on.

[WinkAllKerb'']

I got five finger is false, i got 4 fingers is true, it's just an anti-empty-matter that matter of time from a now way out restrictive perception.

[worir4]

The Apollo astronauts left retro-reflectors on the moon that could reflect telescope lasers back to Earth. Experiments today still show that the reflectors are there.

Also, if there was no moon landing, then what was this doing:

http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/blogs/6a00d8341bf67c53ef017d3d759ecf970c-800wi.jpg

That was to put the moon there! You see the moon was a hologram before 1969. Apollo 11 actually launched the MOON into orbit around the Earth. man did go to the moon....., but on Earth... (sounds like vsauce)

GOVERNMENT FILES BACK THIS!!!!

[GoSlash27]

One of the best arguments against the Apollo hoax argument: What did the Soviets get for faking it?

The Soviet Union had their own space program, with their own radio network, and they knew what needed to be done to get to the moon. The Soviet Union was the one entity that not only stood to gain a huge propaganda victory over the US, but also had an independent ability to confirm or disprove the Apollo landings.

If it was fake, how did NASA keep the Soviets quiet?

Although, you want to know why haven't we been back since Apollo 17? Well, that's easy. They broke the moon and Lunar Lander sets. Everyone knows the the crew of Apollo 12 were a bunch of clowns. What isn't well known is the pranks they played on other crews. For example, on Apollo 13, the 12 crew hid the moon set from them. That's why NASA did the whole "accident" thing. If you watch the movie Apollo 13, Tom Hanks says "We just lost the moon." This was a true statement, but he wasn't speaking figuratively. They actually couldn't find the moon sets, so there was no landing. After Apollo 17, the 12 crew pulled another one of their famous pranks. What happened isn't exactly clear, because the people who know what happened have been carefully silenced, either through bribes or other means, to hide the truth. What is known is that after 17, both the moon sets and the Lunar Lander sets were destroyed, and couldn't be reconstructed. The Apollo capsule set was saved, so they were able to reuse it to fake the entire Skylab program. The space shuttle program was all done with CGI, though.

Bonus points if you can repeat that to a hoaxer with a straight face.

^This.

Every other supporting fact can be explained away by a hardcore conspiracy theorist, but not this one. The Soviets monitored and verified where all the radio transmissions came from when they happened. They had a vested interest in blowing a gaping hole in any fakery, and they confirmed that the whole thing really did happen.

If we were sending all of those transmissions from some sound stage in Nevada instead of the surface of the moon, they woulda noticed.

[worir4]

^This.

Every other supporting fact can be explained away by a hardcore conspiracy theorist, but not this one. The Soviets monitored and verified where all the radio transmissions came from when they happened. They had a vested interest in blowing a gaping hole in any fakery, and they confirmed that the whole thing really did happen.

If we were sending all of those transmissions from some sound stage in Nevada instead of the surface of the moon, they woulda noticed.

No, no, you see the USA paid off the Soviets to tell the world it was real.

[Drunken Hobo]

I'm not going to stick the link here, but for anybody really wanting to ender the mad underbelly of YouTube, search for "Chemtrails vinegar" and try the second link (the first one is a parody).

[Drunken Hobo]

No, no, you see the USA paid off the Soviets to tell the world it was real.

Yep, I've seen that argument many times. When your argument relies on the Cold War being fake you've lost all sanity.

[PakledHostage]

But today's apollo hoaxers main motivation is not rational. They are not interested in truth. They deny it just as an expression of their loathing of America, western governments, western civilization and so on.

I don't know... My impression is that they mostly ARE Americans or at least westerners. Many may be mentally ill, others want to exploit the gullible for their own political objectives.

[Dartguy]

I saw a video interview with Neil D Tyson. He made a very good point: he said that it would have been much harder for us to fake the whole thing than to just do it. There were over 500,000 people working on the missions, and they haven't come out and admitted faking anything. Every time some big secret or cover-up is exposed, we are a little shocked, but what is most shocking about this, is the fact that so many people were involved and have none have come out and said we faked the whole thing.

[sal_vager]

This is going onto conspiracy theory territory, while no longer expressly forbidden if anyone does start to seriously claim the Moon landings were faked this thread will be closed.

As it is it's also getting close to 2.2B: Discussions of a political, ideological or religious nature; so try to keep away from that, thanks

[worir4]

This is going onto conspiracy theory territory, while no longer expressly forbidden if anyone does start to seriously claim the Moon landings were faked this thread will be closed.

As it is it's also getting close to 2.2B: Discussions of a political, ideological or religious nature; so try to keep away from that, thanks

I was joking.

[LordFerret]

I vaguely remember, but honor, Yuri Gagarin. I vaguely remember Alan Shepard making his flight in the Mercury capsule. I clearly remember John Glenn and his ride in the Friendship 7. I watched the Apollo Moon landings, all of them, live on tv. For those who don't believe it, I offer this.....

During the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions, laser reflectors were placed on the surface of the Moon. These reflectors were used to give us the most precise Moon distance calculations to date. Not only did US researchers use these reflectors for experiments, Soviet researchers did as well - to confirm both the data and the claim. Now, if you disbelieve we went to the Moon, I challenge you to acquire the appropriate laser equipment yourself and repeat the experiment - because the reflectors are still sitting on the surface of the Moon... and they are still to date used to check the distance. I'll also suggest you get an education and a job.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

[razark]

During the Apollo 11, 14, and 15 missions, laser reflectors were placed on the surface of the Moon.

Sadly, hoax supporters will point out that we landed probes on the moon, and the Soviets even landed remote rovers. No matter what you point out, they've got some excuse for throwing out the evidence. Even sending a probe to take pictures of the landing sites wouldn't convince them. They already claim that the pictures are faked. They're not going to believe new pictures aren't.

Short of taking them to the moon themselves, there are some of them too dumb to ever believe it.

[GoSlash27]

No, no, you see the USA paid off the Soviets to tell the world it was real.

This would require the Soviets being in a conspiracy to lose the space race at the height of the cold war. Without the competition with the Soviets, there would never have been an Apollo program in the first place and thus no reason to have a moon landing, fake or otherwise.

This self-contradiction invalidates the entire conspiracy theory.

Best,

-Slashy

Edited December 6, 2014 by GoSlash27

[MBobrik]

I don't know... My impression is that they mostly ARE Americans or at least westerners.

That certainly does not contradict what I said. I can not say more, as that would be a violation of forum rules.

[LordFerret]

... Short of taking them to the moon themselves (AND LEAVING THEM THERE), there are some of them too dumb to ever believe it.

That's an idea that might be well worth the investment!

[GoSlash27]

Short of taking them to the moon themselves, there are some of them too dumb to ever believe it.

To be fair, it's not so much them being "dumb" as them subscribing to poor logic. A conspiracy theory is just an example of circular logic wherein the claims of fact cannot be directly tested (or refuted), and every piece of conflicting evidence is rejected as "part of the conspiracy".

The only way I've found to shut down a conspiracy theory is to point out it's self- conflict, thus using it to disprove itself. They can't reject the evidence because the evidence is their own argument.

Best,

-Slashy