[1.2] OSE Workshop - KIS Addon: (v1.1.0 - 2016.11.03)

[Kwarazi]

10 hours ago, The-Doctor said:

idk if I want it tho

That's your choice, I am also using it with no issues, a lot of modders do not update when the update to KSP is small and has no effect on the mod as its a waste of there time, especially if they are working on something else or maybe even a big update to there mod.

So you either take a chance like most of us do or you delete the mod and wait or find something else.

 

 

 

[ObiVanDamme]

I did not yet build a version against ksp 1.2.1, but since this is only a bugfix release everything should still work as expected. The next release is due before christmas and will be for 1.2.1.

[Sharpy]

Is there any way to access tweakables of the manufactured part?

This is a big problem for parts that e.g. can be made in several variants accessible through model switch, or which are accessible only in one (smallest) size with Tweakscale or its counterparts to access other sizes, or have certain variants that do completely different things, say, ISRU with USI extensions can't produce anything at any time - you choose a specific ISRU variant in the editor.

Currently, I wanted to manufacture larger hangars. They are available through tweakables of the Hangar mod parts. But OSE Workshop can only produce the smallest variants.

Edited December 11, 2016 by Sharpy

[Li0n]

4 hours ago, Sharpy said:

Is there any way to access tweakables of the manufactured part?

Nope AFAIK. If you really need a scaled part you can create a new part, indentical to the original, and change its scale, in the part.cfg. 

Not sure there is a solution for part with module switcher...

[Sharpy]

7 hours ago, Li0n said:

Nope AFAIK. If you really need a scaled part you can create a new part, indentical to the original, and change its scale, in the part.cfg. 

Not sure there is a solution for part with module switcher...

Well then, just treat this as a most desirable feature request. I realize this may be difficult, but it's also pretty important.

...also, in case of parts that have fixed resources... imagine the disappointment when printing SRB with no solid fuel, a non-refuelable nuclear reactor without fuel, or inflatable hangar without compressed air needed to inflate it. All three happened to me.

[Li0n]

1 hour ago, Sharpy said:

...also, in case of parts that have fixed resources... imagine the disappointment when printing SRB with no solid fuel, a non-refuelable nuclear reactor without fuel, or inflatable hangar without compressed air needed to inflate it. All three happened to me.

I can feel the disappointment but, for me, OSE Workshop is not the good mod for doing stuff like that. I don't see how a 3D printer can print nuclear fuel, even less compressed air

Have you try Extra Planetary Launchpad ? It let you build complete craft in-situ. If you need individual part I imagine you can create a ship composed of a KIS container with the parts in it.

Also...

Spoiler

This is the 3D printer on board of the ISS. You can't see it on this picture but on the side there is a sticker with : "DONT PRINT FUELED BOOSTER !!!"

 

[Sharpy]

1 minute ago, Li0n said:

I can feel the disappointment but, for me, OSE Workshop is not the good mod for doing stuff like that. I don't see how a 3D printer can print nuclear fuel, even less compressed air

Have you try Extra Planetary Launchpad ? It let you build complete craft in-situ. If you need individual part I imagine you can create a ship composed of a KIS container with the parts in it.

 

 

I really, really struggled NOT to use EPL. I constructed a bunch of crafts using the Workshop and KIS. Today I gave up and installed it though. It's a defeat.

OSE Workshop, to me feels like something much more than "3D printer". It's a workshop. Stuff like a compressor, machining tools, electronics making station, a small chemistry lab, and so on. If it can create a probe core, a container with compressed gas should be zero challenge. Besides, what would it need two kerbals for, otherwise? Looking how the printer prints and replacing spools of material?

 

[Li0n]

5 minutes ago, Sharpy said:

OSE Workshop, to me feels like something much more than "3D printer". It's a workshop. Stuff like a compressor, machining tools, electronics making station, a small chemistry lab, and so on. If it can create a probe core, a container with compressed gas should be zero challenge. Besides, what would it need two kerbals for, otherwise? Looking how the printer prints and replacing spools of material?

On second thought I do agree with the compressed gas thing, Kerbals could blow in the container

Anyway, not a lot you can do about it unless you can do the change on the code yourself and send a PR to @ObiVanDamme

[Sharpy]

15 minutes ago, Li0n said:

On second thought I do agree with the compressed gas thing, Kerbals could blow in the container

Not sure how much are you joking and how much serious, but as they can print complex turbopumps for the engines, they can definitely print a small compressor.

Oh, and as for a genuine, simple bug report: Pagination in the Recycler doesn't work. I can oick 'next, previous' the same as in Workshop and the number of pages seems to correspond to how many items I have stored, but the displayed items always remain on the first page. If I recycle any of these, a new one jumps in from page 2.

[Montieth]

In the New Game options setting, what's with the options relating to welding and docking ports? 

 

Never mind. Derp on my part. Different mod. 

Edited December 13, 2016 by Montieth

[ObiVanDamme]

On 11.12.2016 at 4:53 PM, Sharpy said:

Well then, just treat this as a most desirable feature request. I realize this may be difficult, but it's also pretty important.

...also, in case of parts that have fixed resources... imagine the disappointment when printing SRB with no solid fuel, a non-refuelable nuclear reactor without fuel, or inflatable hangar without compressed air needed to inflate it. All three happened to me.

This is already implemented. Take a look at the OSE_Recipes.cfg file in the game date folder. There are currently recipes for Ablator and SolidFueld. If a part has a resource where a recipe exists, the workshop will print the part including the maximum amount of fuel. I added SolidFuel and Ablator only because you cannot pump them in after the part is finished. It is intentional, that you can only print the part and need to add the resources later, but it would be game breaking in case of non pumpable resources, so I added it. Maybe those recipes are no longer complete or something changed in the way how resources are handled since I added the feature, but I supose that it should work. Try to print a SRB and you should have fuel in it.

[nascarlaser1]

Is this mod on CKAN?

[The-Doctor]

Can't wait to play with this on my Olympus Town base on Mars, just like natgeos MARS series

[ObiVanDamme]

23 hours ago, The-Doctor said:

Can't wait to play with this on my Olympus Town base on Mars, just like natgeos MARS series

Make sure to post some pics when you are done!

On 15.12.2016 at 8:33 PM, nascarlaser1 said:

Is this mod on CKAN?

It used to be. But since kerbalstuff is no longer available it will not work anymore. I need to update this and hop to include this in the next release

[The-Doctor]

46 minutes ago, ObiVanDamme said:

Make sure to post some pics when you are done!

It used to be. But since kerbalstuff is no longer available it will not work anymore. I need to update this and hop to include this in the next release

I'm just starting to play RSS with RSSVE

[nascarlaser1]

59 minutes ago, ObiVanDamme said:

Make sure to post some pics when you are done!

It used to be. But since kerbalstuff is no longer available it will not work anymore. I need to update this and hop to include this in the next release

its ok. After a while I finally bothered to learn how to do it manally. thanks! fun mod.

[The-Doctor]

@ObiVanDamme hey I got a question, um, what exactly is dirt and exotic minerals? Well, I know it's for pathfinder and maybe MKS, but I don't quite understand why I'm seeing it. Is it needed to make something?

[LatiMacciato]

1 hour ago, The-Doctor said:

@ObiVanDamme hey I got a question, um, what exactly is dirt and exotic minerals? Well, I know it's for pathfinder and maybe MKS, but I don't quite understand why I'm seeing it. Is it needed to make something?

in MKS you make stuff from Dirt and exotic minerals
--> https://github.com/BobPalmer/MKS/wiki/Resources

[The-Doctor]

1 minute ago, LatiMacciato said:

in MKS you make stuff from Dirt and exotic minerals
--> https://github.com/BobPalmer/MKS/wiki/Resources

no but I don't want it, how do I get rid of that part

[LatiMacciato]

for that recources .. they're based on the CRP, wich is totally optional to use in general .. if you dont like it, dont use it .. i have some recources listed in my game aswell but i basicly just dont use them

[The-Doctor]

9 minutes ago, LatiMacciato said:

for that recources .. they're based on the CRP, wich is totally optional to use in general .. if you dont like it, dont use it .. i have some recources listed in my game aswell but i basicly just dont use them

so I can have thid mod without CRP or should I look up the mks configs in CRP and delete them?

[LatiMacciato]

9 minutes ago, The-Doctor said:

so I can have thid mod without CRP or should I look up the mks configs in CRP and delete them?

as far the license of OSE goes

Spoiler

License

OSE Workshop is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 4.0 International license, which means

• You are permitted to use, copy and redistribute my work as-is.
• You may remix your own derivatives (new models, alternative textures, etc.) and release them under your own name.
• You may not use the material for any commercial purposes.
• You must use the same license as the original work.
• You must credit the following people when publishing your derivatives in the download and forum posts: ObiVanDamme and Enceos (OSE Workshop), KospY and Winn75 (Kerbal Attachment System).

I assume your free to edit the cfg's if your unhappy with this or that function, but its highly recommend you leave the cfg's as they are (unless you know what you are doing).
However, the other resources were implented for a reason (mods support each other regulary).

hope this helps anyways.

[ObiVanDamme]

On 23.12.2016 at 3:41 AM, The-Doctor said:

@ObiVanDamme hey I got a question, um, what exactly is dirt and exotic minerals? Well, I know it's for pathfinder and maybe MKS, but I don't quite understand why I'm seeing it. Is it needed to make something?

You can use the OSE Converter to extract Exotic Minerals and Rare metals from Dirt, both are used in some of the recipes. If you don't like it and know what you are doing you can change the configs to use whatever resources you like.

[Sol Invictus]

Does current version work with KIS 1.4? I'm asking because I read somewhere that each time KIS gets updated, all mods that depend upon it become broken, at least until they are recompiled against new KIS.

[Sudragon]

At the risk of ridicule... the various parts for this mod, are there other mods that block them from the game? I poked around in the .cfg's and they're all 'catagory = none'. What am i missing?