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A further complication is that I did have this error (ship seems to explode), went out to the tracking station, returned to control the ship (which was now listed as an unnamed ship). It seemed fine - the ship was ... sort of undocked. That is, I could move maneuvering jets to move my lander away from the main ship... but the ship still thought it was one single ship. The two physically separate pieces were still seen as the same single controllable entity. When I used SAS to turn to retrograde, both parts started to jet trying to orient themselves AS A UNIT, which because they were separate kept not working. The gap between them continued to grow because they were thrusting in ways that changed their relative velocities, but it seemed to be trying to calculate as if their center of mass was the center they were trying to rotate around. You can see here, the tuna-can lander to the left of Kerbin, and the main ship to the lower-right, differently oriented and drifting apart. But the parts list shows them as both being parts in one ship, and the kerbal crew list shows all five slots, instead of two with Jeb and Bob, then three with Tanrim and two empty chairs.

Some amount of the control problems may have been from being on a mild time-warp without me noticing.

While launching and circularizing my orbit from sub-orbital, the focus started to be further and further out, with middle-button "pan" doing little, until ultimately the ship disappeared. At the same time, the models of the kerbinauts in their profile pics in the top-right began to get weird, with their skins detaching as they shook under acceleration. No amount of using "[" or "]" or using the tracking station to try to re-establish focus would help. In the same event, the SAS stopped responding. I could move the ship manually, but hitting "prograde" or anything would barely do anything. Unfortunately I didn't grab a screen shot or video capture. I went back to the main menu, and loaded the last auto-save - and control resumed, and all of the non-map feed was working, but now my orbital prediction is just gone. Reverting to launch seems to have fixed it, FWIW.

Argh!!! That crappy moment when you have your beautiful orbital ship with 16Y of hab and 2Y of supplies that is practically extendable past the hab lifetime, with EPL-enabled construction capabilities, a small fleet of mining drop ships for small-moon-mining, all in preparation to provide some orbital support for early-stage bases on Duna... and you realize... in orbit around Ike... that you didn't pack the one thing you need a starter supply of no matter what: Organics. Dammit... Well, at least I have a long runway for resupply, so I can wait for a cheap window and send extra stuff. But I was hoping to do it in one shot. On a related note... is there any plan or notion as to whether or how an orbital ship can participate in planetary logistics? It seems to me that putting something into orbit is only marginally more costly than getting it to the other side of the planet, if you dont' already have a full blown transportation infrastructure and economy on that planet (e.g. cargo ships and planes). I can't imagine it's unreasonable for a Low-Duna-Orbital base to get resupply, or drop orbitally manufactured stuff (from captured asteroids, or Ike-mined resources, etc.) Obviously some costs should be incurred to take things from PlanetLog into orbit, but it should be doable. I guess I can manually do it, but that's frustrating after enough launches. Thoughts, RoverDude?

Love it. Thank you.

Heh. I think this discussion is so far past "the bud" that this comment made me chuckle. (good-naturedly, not mockingly, Mycroft)

So... is there a good tutorial available on the forums on getting an environment spun up for mod development? That seems the biggest disincentive for me, the amount of putzing around I'd have to do to figure it all out. I can infer one from mono, git, make, and bash, but if someone has documented the process (or their process) somewhere then that could be a great help. If not, then I might do so as I figure out my own setup, but reducing the friction for getting started would really be handy.

Well... I use CKAN for betas... but I don't complain when things aren't right, and I manually install mods which aren't available yet, revelling in the thrill of living on the edge.

Seems to be fixed now, after the update. Cool. Thanks, and thanks very much for the awesome mod!

Good call. And thanks for the reading help. I'm not a C# guy, and unfamiliar with KSP internals. I see how it's working now. All that said, it's still failing, even with SVE removed, which is what supplied scatterer. The full log is here: http://pastebin.com/e6nwSs0T and (after removing two plugins which had errors) http://pastebin.com/sNmT4T5Y. However, in all cases, testing with CC and without CC, with fails, without seems to handle the errors. It's very very weird. This is the error I'm seeing in the first log, if that helps: [EXC 16:09:24.165] MissingMethodException: Cannot create an abstract class 'ContractConfigurator.StockContractParametersTemplate'. System.Activator.CheckAbstractType (System.Type type) System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type, Boolean nonPublic) System.Activator.CreateInstance (System.Type type) GameParameters..ctor () GameParameters.SetDifficultyPresets () GameParameters.GetDefaultParameters (Modes mode, Preset p) MainMenu.Start () But the whole thing is bizarre to me. It's breaking the main menu, not the rest of the game, and removing CC magically fixes it. Can't figure out why. Argh.

So... it shouldn't affect... but it seems to be loading scatterer (and failing) from within the ContractConfigurator call stack. I'm trying to figure out how to put the whole log in. This forum UI is really weird, and I cant' figure out how to attach a whole file.

Hmm. When I install 1.20.1 and load up the game, the main menu is unresponsive. I click any menu item and nothing happens. The game responds again after uninstalling. I have no report about save-games as I can't even get to the screen where the savegame is in place. In the log, I see a whole lot of reflective loading errors, but I can't tell if that's just logging handled errors in loading. e.g. For now, it renders the game unusable, sadly.

Yay! Thanks!

Nope. Didn't help. Tried a fresh install, to ensure nothing was there. It must be a different interaction. For now I"ll just jump past it to a charged particle generator.

Crap. I had deleted my Near Future stuff, but apparently I had left propulsion in. That's probably it. I'll confirm in a bit.

... aaaand it's back. 1333 tonnes. Attached to a 1.25M pebble-bed reactor

1,333.00 tonnes? (or 1333,00 if you're european). Specifically, 1.3 Kilotonnes? I think that's a bug. The generator's mass was entirely irrespective of size or of generator attached, and was a constant, and was 10X the mass of all the other parts of the craft put together? That does not seem WAI. At any rate, I killed the craft, and it behaves more as expected on a fresh craft.

Ok - that was weird. Totally abandoned that craft, created a new one, and it was fine. There was some strange part interaction going on that I can't (now) reproduce. /shrug.

my weights are going all weird too - the thermo-electric generator has a constant weight of 6t in the parts list in VAB, but 1333t when attached, adn which doesn't scale at all with the part scaling. I'm using: Tweakscale v2.2.12 KSPI-E 1.8.20 The generator also lists a "mass modiefier" in the info box, of 1, FWIW.

Yeah - same here. Haven't been able to land on Jool since early early-access versions.

Hahahahah. Yeah. I hear you. I imagine having LOTS of links and dependencies, but hopefully laid out more carefully than the travesty I posted.

Yay! Thanks!

Ok - so manually installing it seemed to work, given a new savegame. No way to make a sane (non-spidery) previous save, but the game does work - I just have to unlock a whole bunch of other nodes. Trying to decide if my progress is worth the mess. It'd be great to figure out what's going wrong w.r.t. ckan, as I manage a lot of mods with that, but it's not a deal-breaker. The new tree looks great! Thanks!

Yeah - it didnt' really matter whether I had CTT installed or not. (I presume you meant Community Tech Tree, as I have no clue what CCT is). It also happens new or old save game. I'll try manually installing and see.