drtricky Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 5 hours ago, Pds314 said: I just noticed it has AIM-9s on the wings in the image. This is a no-missile challenge, so you may want to use guns or rockets instead. The picture is outdated. It has only 3 vulcans for weaponry. You can check the parts list if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpannerMonkey(smce) Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 24 minutes ago, DoctorDavinci said: there are exceptions to the rule AH yes but that's technically doing STOL and we know as long as the lift and thrust are balanced it works, and the AI can fly it, the lift thrust takes the place of the aero lift and all is good, but true VTOL nah Nice HWP too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Wow. I just had a battle heavy fighter vs. light fighter where the heavy the two remaining lights ran out of ammo. That's somewhat unsurprising for the lights, which only get one ammo box, though I may change that, but the heavy has 4 ammo boxes through 2 vulcans.. That's 2600 rounds for one kill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hmm.. Two engines vs. 1 bigger engine? 2 engines is draggier, since thrust scales with the 2.6 power of scale factor. On the other hand, it offers better control and redundancy. Except when redundancy becomes an extra point of failure, then 2 is more fragile than 1. Plus, we need extra parts for more engines. Structure and intakes and such. 2 engines is quite a bit flatter. Better for aircraft design. Also they're simpler to scale. No need to adapt the node size. One engine hurts the gear placement. Two helps for tricycle designs. One makes a flatspin less likely. But your plane becomes a straight line. You could always have different engines. But your torque just won't be in line. A jet and a rocket might help you. Does one engine out first cross a line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 A battle between small and large planes. Note: don't put too much stock in the results. It could just as well have gone the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsoj Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just now, Pds314 said: A battle between small and large planes. Note: don't put too much stock in the results. It could just as well have gone the other way. with this post you destroyed the magic number of post you have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Hmm.. it appears that the heavies have some amount of difficulty aiming. They're getting plenty of good shots in the general direction of the target, but the shots aren't well-aimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Another vid. This time from the perspective of team Heavy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsoj Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 you're leaking information, its bad for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 (edited) 5 minutes ago, tsoj said: you're leaking information, its bad for you I'm okay leaking info. I'd rather see better planes. Plus, there's only so much information you'll see from a dogfight between two of my own vehicles, since most people build planes with relatively consistent behavior, and that behavior isn't necessarilly obvious to someone who builds other vehicles. There's also no guarantee that any vehicles shown will be my final vehicle. Edited November 22, 2016 by Pds314 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorDavinci Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 31 minutes ago, Pds314 said: I'm okay leaking info. I'd rather see better planes. Plus, there's only so much information you'll see from a dogfight between two of my own vehicles, since most people build planes with relatively consistent behavior, and that behavior isn't necessarilly obvious to someone who builds other vehicles. There's also no guarantee that any vehicles shown will be my final vehicle. This thread is starting to turn into a mission report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pds314 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 1 minute ago, DoctorDavinci said: This thread is starting to turn into a mission report Alright. Well I'm not gonna post much or awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TorchedForever Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) I expect designs similar to the VulcaRaptor will still be dominate. High wing area for maneuverability and reaction wheels for gun accuracy. Additionally, the biplane design maximizes wing area for a given target profile. Another approach might be to focus on the bullet joust at the start of the match. A narrow plane with GAUs could takeout the competition before the battle really starts. Although some quick tests have shown that the joust is much shorter than expected and even twin GAUs can't put out enough firepower. If anyone has test results that contradict this feel free to share. EDIT - Way back in ASC they found vulcans to be more effective than GAUs. I'll have to revisit the tests with this in mind. And as for the posting of testing results, I'm all for it. Sure it means you're giving up an advantage, but it makes the challenge more competitive (Fewer poorly designed planes) and keeps the thread alive. Edited November 23, 2016 by TorchedForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtricky Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, TorchedForever said: EDIT - Way back in ASC they found vulcans to be more effective than GAUs. I'll have to revisit the tests with this in mind. The vulcan's damage has been (rightfully) nerfed in the newest incarnation of BDA. They no longer destroy entire parts in one to two hits. Now begins the debate of quantity vs quality, which is why I made this! Also, @GDJ is it too late for me to alter the fighter I submitted earlier? Edited November 23, 2016 by drtricky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorDavinci Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) 23 minutes ago, drtricky said: The vulcan's damage has been (rightfully) nerfed in the newest incarnation of BDA. They no longer destroy entire parts in one to two hits. Now begins the debate of quantity vs quality, which is why I made this! Also, @GDJ is it too late for me to alter the fighter I submitted earlier? I Bring this to your attention ... Quote -All planes will be tuned to your best abilities at the point of submission either by DropBox or KerbalX. Once your plane is submitted, it will be considered a final draft. So according to the rules as posted you cannot resubmit your craft after you have already submitted one .... This prevents misunderstandings arising between contestants if a contestant were to claim that the host used the wrong version Also there has been some tweaks made to the damage and penetration system in BDAc so what was true in previous versions may not be so true now Edited November 23, 2016 by DoctorDavinci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtricky Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 @GDJ In addition, will you be applying custom flags to aircraft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted November 23, 2016 Author Share Posted November 23, 2016 (edited) Sorry. Just got home from a 14 hour job. I wasn't considering custom flags, but I see no reason to not do it. As for your plane, is it a major Fart up or is the change more of a minor upgrade? in other words, is the plane you submitted a solid flyable plane, able to fight as is or has something come up that it would become unstable or not dependable and allow the opponent to get a upper hand easier? Edited November 23, 2016 by GDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsodeadjeb Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 https://kerbalx.com/crafts/20962/edit here is my submission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsoj Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 14 hours ago, TorchedForever said: I expect designs similar to the VulcaRaptor will still be dominate. High wing area for maneuverability and reaction wheels for gun accuracy. Additionally, the biplane design maximizes wing area for a given target profile. I feel always like im cheating if i use reaction controll wheels on planes :\ Just now, notsodeadjeb said: https://kerbalx.com/crafts/20962/edit here is my submission. you should remove the "/edit" thing from the end of your link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpannerMonkey(smce) Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 HI gang here's my submission, live or die it's what I'm going with https://kerbalx.com/download/craft/20969 Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtricky Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 12 hours ago, GDJ said: As for your plane, is it a major Fart up or is the change more of a minor upgrade? In its current condition, it's flyable. I just wanted to tune it up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDJ Posted November 24, 2016 Author Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) I'll be collecting craft files at 9:00 PM MST (two hours from this posting), so make double sure everything is to your liking with the planes. So...if anybody has anything to change on their craft the time is now before I download. Edited November 24, 2016 by GDJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorDavinci Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Here's my entry ..... CANUKWorks DGF-50 Platypus https://kerbalx.com/DoctorDavinci/Platypus Edited November 24, 2016 by DoctorDavinci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuicidalInsanity Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Here's mine: https://kerbalx.com/SuicidalInsanity/Stratovore Edited November 24, 2016 by SuicidalInsanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorDavinci Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, SuicidalInsanity said: Here's mine: https://kerbalx.com/SuicidalInsanity/Stratovore Now there goes some engineering ... Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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