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The crew were get in the Shenzhou's reentry module and putting on the Shenzhou IVA suit two hours ago.

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Now Shenzhou spaceship is undocked with the Tianhe core module

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From the left to right words are: orbital module and reentry module separation, re-entry deceleration braking, service module and reentry module separtion, assess to the blackout area, out of the blackout area, open the parachute and landing.

18 minutes ago, darthgently said:

A logical interpretation would be that it feinted toward a GSO, played possum for awhile, then darted from the cover of forgetfulness and "old news" for a strategic orbit that was probably always the intended one

-How to hide a leaf?

-Leave it in the piles of fallen leaves

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Wow what a busy day for CNSA: two satellites launch and Shenzhou crew back to home:

The first one was the ChinaSat-6D launched by the CZ-3B Y89 rocket at Xichang launch site;

The second one was the "The world's first satellite actively sensing CO2 with the LiDAR technology" Daqi-1 (大气一号) launched by CZ-4C Y28 rocket at Taiyuan launch site.

The mission badge for the second one:

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"It is equipped with five remote sensing instruments, including an atmospheric sounding lidar, a high-precision polarisation scanner, a multi-angle polarisation imager, an ultraviolet hyperspectral atmospheric composition detector and a wide-field imaging spectrometer, which can significantly enhance global carbon monitoring and atmospheric pollution monitoring capabilities." 

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On 3/22/2022 at 11:24 PM, mikegarrison said:

I will not be discussing anything without more information. The crash site is known. If the data recorders survived, there should be some information released sooner or later.

The protocol is clear that the country in which the accident occurred is in charge of the investigation, but they usually involve the regulators from the country that was the "state of design", which in this case would be the NTSB.

We are quickly approaching the 30-day mark, when a preliminary report is supposed to be released to ICAO by the lead investigators. That does not necessarily mean released to the public, however. It usually is made public, but not always.

https://www.icao.int/about-icao/FAQ/Pages/icao-frequently-asked-questions-faq-11.aspx

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14 hours ago, mikegarrison said:

We are quickly approaching the 30-day mark, when a preliminary report is supposed to be released to ICAO by the lead investigators. That does not necessarily mean released to the public, however. It usually is made public, but not always.

https://www.icao.int/about-icao/FAQ/Pages/icao-frequently-asked-questions-faq-11.aspx

In other related news, the company that owns the crashed aircraft, Eastern Airlines (Yunnan), gradually resumed commercial operations two days ago after a series of inspections and test flights of the 223 737-800s in its fleet, which had previously been suspended for a month. The another one was probably a week ago. CAAC says a significant proportion of staff, especially some young aircrew, are very depressed or even got ASD. In my experience, when something like this, or for example like the sudden flooding in Zhengzhou in July last year can cause a huge impact on public opinion, the government will usually publish a very detailed report after a detailed investigation. I believe it will be same this time.

Two black boxes was been found at March 27. Investigation team from NTSB were arrived China at  April 2 without any quarantine. And at same day one of the black box (CVR) was sent to Washington. Just give them a bit more time

But humans are indeed the same all over the world when they comes to stupidity, with different angles of strange conspiracy theories on the Chinese internet...ugh... A month ago some of them was a so-called "financial expert", but after the crash he is now an "aviation expert"

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OK, I just saw a news story which has stated that the preliminary report on the China Eastern 737-800 crash will not be made public. As I quoted from the ICAO FAQ, this is at the discretion of the lead investigative authority. In this case that is CAAC, China's aviation agency. So it will be reported to ICAO, and it will be reported to the US because the US is the "state of design", but it will not be released to the public.

Preliminary reports usually just consist of a compilation of all the known facts as of the 30-day mark. They don't usually get into analysis of causes or recommendations for changes.

(Under ICAO rules, however, a final report is always supposed to be made public. Final reports are due whenever they are finished. If a year goes by without a final report, there is supposed to be an interim report.)

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CMS (China Manned Space): 20 April, 5:02 BST, the Tianzhou-3 cargo ship was undocked the Tianhe core module's rearward docking port. It flew around to the forward port and the automatic docking was completed at 9:06.  To leave the rearward port for the Tianzhou-4 which will be launched next month.

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The white words from left to right at top are: Mooring point at 5km, Mooring point at 400m and Mooring point at 2km. At bottom are Tianzhou-3 and Core Module,

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18 hours ago, mikegarrison said:

OK, I just saw a news story which has stated that the preliminary report on the China Eastern 737-800 crash will not be made public. As I quoted from the ICAO FAQ, this is at the discretion of the lead investigative authority. In this case that is CAAC, China's aviation agency. So it will be reported to ICAO, and it will be reported to the US because the US is the "state of design", but it will not be released to the public.

Preliminary reports usually just consist of a compilation of all the known facts as of the 30-day mark. They don't usually get into analysis of causes or recommendations for changes.

(Under ICAO rules, however, a final report is always supposed to be made public. Final reports are due whenever they are finished. If a year goes by without a final report, there is supposed to be an interim report.)

We got the preliminary report! But I can't find the English translate yet. Maybe few more hours we can got the English translate version.

Here is the Chinese report: http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/202204/t20220420_212895.html. Let Chrome help you

Another link but same content in Chinese by Xinhua net: http://www.news.cn/politics/2022-04/20/c_1128578339.htm

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11 minutes ago, steve9728 said:

We got the preliminary report! But I can't find the English translate yet. Maybe few more hours we can got the English translate version.

Here is the Chinese report: http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/202204/t20220420_212895.html. Let Chrome help you

Another link but same content in Chinese by Xinhua net: http://www.news.cn/politics/2022-04/20/c_1128578339.htm

tl;dr: No human, technical, or weather cause has been found for the jet to nosedive into the ground.  Radio silence during descent.  The important part from link #1 via translate.google.com:

"...the two recorders on the aircraft were severely damaged due to the impact, and the data restoration and analysis work is still in progress ...."

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Just now, darthgently said:

tl;dr: No human, technical, or weather cause has been found for the jet to nosedive into the ground.  Radio silence during descent.  The important part from link #1 via translate.google.com:

"...the two recorders on the aircraft were severely damaged due to the impact, and the data restoration and analysis work is still in progress ...."

"Everything is normal, but it did crashed and we really can't find out why. Now we are working on the data repair because the black box hurt really bad"

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3 minutes ago, insert_name said:

looks like parts of a long march 3 hit India last April

https://spacenews.com/india-examining-crashed-space-debris-suspected-to-be-parts-of-chinas-long-march-rocket/

I was watching the video earlier of the descent over India  I'm guessing the PRC will just say they were celebrating the 2000th anniversary of the invention of fireworks because it was a very impressive fireworks display

 

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2 minutes ago, darthgently said:

I was watching the video earlier of the descent over India  I'm guessing the PRC will just say they were celebrating the 2000th anniversary of the invention of fireworks because it was a very impressive fireworks display

Not to spoil the fun but the fact is that the official media and the private self-published media basically didn't cover this much either. It's basically if people are inside the 'firewall' and don't search anything about it I think that guy can't really know about this.

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9 minutes ago, darthgently said:

You didn't spoil my fun.  I'm still having it.  it is a shame the fun can't be shared inside the firewall however.  For that, I am sad

Nah still can find and share it easily if someone looking for the news from space (but only if you want to search it). It was just that the offical attitude doesn't wnat and need to bring it to the attention of public opinion (shrug*)

For example: https://s.weibo.com/weibo?q=火箭 印度上空再入

https://www.baidu.com/s?tn=news&rtt=1&bsst=1&wd=火箭+印度上空再入&cl=2

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We got the preliminary report! But I can't find the English translate yet. Maybe few more hours we can got the English translate version.

Here is the Chinese report: http://www.caac.gov.cn/XXGK/XXGK/TZTG/202204/t20220420_212895.html. Let Chrome help you

Another link but same content in Chinese by Xinhua net: http://www.news.cn/politics/2022-04/20/c_1128578339.htm

Find one now but it got pay wall. I didn't pay it but it can "Listen to this article": https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-21/here-s-the-full-text-of-china-s-deadly-boeing-jet-crash-report

A shorter one: https://www.aviationtoday.com/2022/04/21/caac-releases-preliminary-report-china-eastern-airlines-mu5735-crash/

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