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Rudolf Meier
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  • 4 weeks later...

I have a new version now that should solve this DLC robotic problem... but it's simply stupid what I had to do...

maybe I need to split this up and bring a new version 4.0.x for all older ksps and 4.1.x for 1.7.3 and later... I will have to see what I do

for the moment it's out as pre-release or beta

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Could i use this to prevent this:

I like the game as it is in stock, except for som parts. like the one above.

If i install this, can i choose only to use this on specific parts and have the other ones stock?

I like the challenge with the weak joints otherwise.

 

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 11:40 AM, Casper_83 said:

Could i use this to prevent this:

I like the game as it is in stock, except for som parts. like the one above.

If i install this, can i choose only to use this on specific parts and have the other ones stock?

I like the challenge with the weak joints otherwise.

 

KJRn doesn't have this option, because it tries to find weak joints that shouldn't be weak and builds additional joints. The idea is not to make everything unrealisticly strong, but only to fix the unrealisticly weak joints.

... in theory I could imagine a way to achieve what you want by modifying the configuration of KJRn and playing with the old and still available options. But the development of KJRn goes into an other direction. It's going more into a fully automatic way with more intelligent detection of weak joints.

The fact that you have a problem with a rotating part makes it even more complicated.

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On 7/24/2019 at 5:40 AM, Casper_83 said:

Could i use this to prevent this:

I like the game as it is in stock, except for som parts. like the one above.

If i install this, can i choose only to use this on specific parts and have the other ones stock?

I like the challenge with the weak joints otherwise.

Careful use of Autostruts and Rigid Attachment should be able to help you

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for all those who want to do experiments and find out which parts of the ship are unstable, there is a new option in the debug version of 4.x.15 that allows you to see what's unstable

I hope that with this new tool we can also find out if KJRn is working as expected and if not improve it... without seeing where it bends, it was always hard to tell if it behaves like we want it

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On 5/16/2019 at 5:53 AM, Rudolf Meier said:

STOP

ok ok ok... I see now, that it does not work

I will try a new idea... we have so many bugs and incompatibilities and stupid behaviour in KSP! Modding is a constant "how can I work around this stupid behaviour"? ... especially if you try to build KJR or IR ... that's just a nightmare! ... or even "impossible" ... but I'm only interested in "impossible" project and I will find a solution... impossible... *pah*... it was also "impossible" to fly to the moon... the direct idea is death for KJR, now I try it with a LOR ;) ... if you understand what I mean

I gave up on both IR and stock robotics because of apparent incremental positioning roundoff errors or whatever the current explanation is.  I've solved nearly all of my minor robotic needs using Dock Rotate and PicoPorts, which for some reason are completely immune to the issues that stock dock rotation has (which I disable)

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31 minutes ago, darthgently said:

I gave up on both IR and stock robotics because of apparent incremental positioning roundoff errors or whatever the current explanation is.  I've solved nearly all of my minor robotic needs using Dock Rotate and PicoPorts, which for some reason are completely immune to the issues that stock dock rotation has (which I disable)

that was annoying...

but in KJR Next and Infernal Robotics Next, I have tried to solve those problems and it shouldn't happen with those mods

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12 minutes ago, Rudolf Meier said:

that was annoying...

but in KJR Next and Infernal Robotics Next, I have tried to solve those problems and it shouldn't happen with those mods

Sorry.  I guess my point was that whatever DockRotate is doing seems to work with regards to the underlying issue that affects affected both IR and stock dock rotation and stock robotics.  I'm not sure what that is though, but was hoping it might make more sense to you.  Also, I didn't realize IR was your baby;  I could have been less blunt for sure

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25 minutes ago, darthgently said:

Also, I didn't realize IR was your baby;  I could have been less blunt for sure

no problem :-)

26 minutes ago, darthgently said:

Sorry.  I guess my point was that whatever DockRotate is doing seems to work with regards to the underlying issue that affects affected both IR and stock dock rotation and stock robotics.  I'm not sure what that is though, but was hoping it might make more sense to you. 

hmm... yes, it does make sense to me... and, I think, with stock "robotics" or  other movement parts (and if I remember correctly also with autostruts), you always have this drift problem... I did read about a fix tough... but, I have no idea how good it is, maybe I'm going to investigate this some day

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@Rudolf MeierHi, Is there currently,  or could there be, a blacklist for parts that KJR should ignore? Currently trying to get an LRV working in BDB with a stock robotic deplyment system, and some people are having issues with phantom forces being applied via KJR joints.

I've had it work sometimes, and sometimes not, possibly due to the differences between "physicsSignificance" and the newer implementation "physicalSignificance"? But if we could just blacklist any of the parts in question from being reinforced, that might be the best option.

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On 7/19/2022 at 9:14 AM, Rodger said:

@Rudolf MeierHi, Is there currently,  or could there be, a blacklist for parts that KJR should ignore? Currently trying to get an LRV working in BDB with a stock robotic deplyment system, and some people are having issues with phantom forces being applied via KJR joints.

I've had it work sometimes, and sometimes not, possibly due to the differences between "physicsSignificance" and the newer implementation "physicalSignificance"? But if we could just blacklist any of the parts in question from being reinforced, that might be the best option.

That's interesting... I thought, that such problems don't exist anymore. But never the less... there is a way to tell KJR to ignore specific parts by adding a module to the part.

See the description here: Kerbal-Joint-Reinforcement/KJRExcluded.cs at master · meirumeiru/Kerbal-Joint-Reinforcement · GitHub

If this helps, could you then contact me so that I can investigate this further?

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Yeah it's weird - in my game, I don't get any phantom forces, but a couple of other people have had issues, and I've double checked they have this version of KJR installed. I'll try the KJRExcluded module, thanks for pointing it out!

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Just now, Rodger said:

Yeah it's weird - in my game, I don't get any phantom forces, but a couple of other people have had issues, and I've double checked they have this version of KJR installed. I'll try the KJRExcluded module, thanks for pointing it out!

are they using KJR Next? or an other version? ... I'm only responsible for the Next one :) ... and in this version should explicitly take care of phantom forces and elliminate them (as far as I know no other version or stock robotics does this)

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Yeah, and I've even checked the .version file they had to be sure it was Next. I'll let you know what happens once the people who had issues can test it with the exclusion module :)

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