[1.8+] Real Fuels

[Svm420]

Woot thanks Nathan . And for the AJE update as well

[Wuwuk]

I find a bag this new RealFuels.

At stock engines does not appear the flame from the nozzle

(coxwain, spider, terrier, nerv, lt-t30, lt-t45, skipper, poodle, maisail)

just smoke.

The remaining are working,

if I did not miss anything.

And stop work limiting of ignitions in Tantarese and TantaresLV.

I installed the new RealFuels through a scan,

after removing the CRP.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Wuwuk

[NathanKell]

You need an engine config pack and a set of FX. You can choose either Realism Overhaul or RF Stockalike.

[Wuwuk]

You need an engine config pack and a set of FX. You can choose either Realism Overhaul or RF Stockalike.

When I install new RealFuel through

skan, I chosen RF Stocklike.

Half of the stock engines is the flame, and half do not.

[NathanKell]

Then you need to go to that thread. The OP should have a link to an FX pack, if it does not post on the thread and ask.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/81239-Stockalike-RF-Engine-Configs-v2-1-8-7-22-15

[Wuwuk]

Then you need to go to that thread. The OP should have a link to an FX pack, if it does not post on the thread and ask.

http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/81239-Stockalike-RF-Engine-Configs-v2-1-8-7-22-15

I installed RealPlume and RP stock config through a scan and it worked.

It should be add this dependency, both the scan and here.

[MatterBeam]

How do I remove the ullage and ignition system from RealFuels?

[Wuwuk]

How do I remove the ullage and ignition system from RealFuels?

Set the "useUllageSimulation = true" to false in cfg file

and delete all "EngineIgnitor" module.

[MatterBeam]

Set the "useUllageSimulation = true" to false in cfg file

and delete all "EngineIgnitor" module.

Ok, thank you. This might take some work, considering the number of engines there is.

[Wuwuk]

Ok, thank you. This might take some work, considering the number of engines there is.

And best do not delete all "EngineIgnitor" module,

but simply set "ignitionsAvailable =" to "-1" (unlimited).

[Padishar]

Set the "useUllageSimulation = true" to false in cfg file

and delete all "EngineIgnitor" module.

Isn't there a global useIgnitions flag as well?

[MatterBeam]

Isn't there a global useIgnitions flag as well?

I modified like this:

	Ullage	{
		simulateUllage = false
		limitedIgnitions = false

[maccollo]

I'm going mad trying to get the thrust curve stuff to work. It was working before, and then I updated to the lastest version of real fuels, and now it doesn't work. Besides the engine config name it's an exact copy of the config used for the same booster in realism overhaul, and that works fine, but my booster doesn't. I just can't figure it out.

PART
{

name = SLS_b1_SRB
module = Part
author = Maccollo

MODEL
{
	model = SpiceLaunchSystem/parts/5segmentBooster/AKT_5-segmentBooster
    scale = 1.0, 1.0, 1.0
}
scale = 1.0
rescaleFactor = 1.0

node_stack_bottom = 0.0, -23.8, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
node_stack_top    = 0.0,  23.385, 0.0, 0.0, 1.0, 0.0, 3
node_stack_middle = 0.0,  -18.0, 0.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 3
node_attach = -1.85, -18.0, 0.0, -1.0, 0.0, 0.0, 3
attachRules = 1,1,1,1,0

TechRequired = start
entryCost = 525
cost = 525

category     = Propulsion
subcategory  = 0
title        = 5 segment AKT booster
manufacturer = AKT
description  = five segmented version of the STS solid rocket. orginally flown on the cancelled Ares 1 rocket it is now a stop-gap booster to be used with the SLS.


mass = 100
dragModelType  = default
maximum_drag   = 0.20
minimum_drag   = 0.15
angularDrag    = 2
crashTolerance = 10
maxTemp        = 3400
stagingIcon = SOLID_BOOSTER
bulkheadProfiles = size3, srf

EFFECTS
	{
  running_closed
		{
    AUDIO
			{
      channel = Ship
      clip = SpiceLaunchSystem/sound/boosterLoop
      volume = 0.0 0.0
      volume = 5.0 5.0
      pitch = 0.0 0.2
      pitch = 1.0 1.0
      loop = true
    			}
    MODEL_MULTI_PARTICLE
   			{
      modelName = Squad/FX/SRB_Large
      transformName = engineFX
      emission = 0.0 0.0
      emission = 0.05 0.0
      emission = 0.075 0.25
      emission = 1.0 1.25
      speed = 0.0 0.5
      speed = 1.0 1.2
			}
		}
  engage
		{
    AUDIO
			{
      channel = Ship
      clip = SpiceLaunchSystem/sound/boosterStart
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 1.0
      loop = false
			}
		}
  flameout
		{
    PREFAB_PARTICLE
			{
      prefabName = fx_exhaustSparks_flameout_2
      transformName = thrustTransform
      oneShot = true
			}
    AUDIO
			{
      channel = Ship
      clip = sound_explosion_low
      volume = 1.0
      pitch = 2.0
      loop = false
			}
		}
	}

MODULE
	{
	name = ModuleEnginesFX
	engineID = 5SSRB
	powerEffectName = running_closed
	thrustVectorTransformName = thrustTransform
	exhaustDamage = True
	ignitionThreshold = 0.1
	allowShutdown = False
	throttleLocked = True
	useEngineResponseTime = True
	engineAccelerationSpeed = 8.0
	minThrust = 0
	maxThrust = 17885.99	
	heatProduction = 100
	fxOffset = 0, 0, 0.0
	EngineType = SolidBooster
		atmosphereCurve
		{
			key = 0 268
			key = 1 242
			key = 7 0.002
		}

	}

MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleGimbal
		gimbalTransformName = thrustTransform
		gimbalRange = 0.5
	}

	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleFuelTanks
		volume = 365487
		basemass = -1
		type = PBAN
	}
	MODULE
	{
		name = ModuleEngineConfigs
		type = ModuleEngines
		configuration = Ares1_5Seg
		modded = false
		CONFIG
		{
			name = Ares1_5Seg
			maxThrust = 17885.99
			heatProduction = 100
			PROPELLANT
			{
				name = PBAN
				ratio = 1
				DrawGauge = True
			}
			atmosphereCurve
			{
				key = 0 268
				key = 1 242
			}
			curveResource = PBAN
			thrustCurve
			{
				key = 0.99986 0.950
				key = 0.9887 0.961
				key = 0.97757 0.961
				key = 0.96646 0.961
				key = 0.95535 0.963
				key = 0.94419 0.97
				key = 0.93296 0.978
				key = 0.92167 0.985
				key = 0.91034 0.991
				key = 0.89901 0.994
				key = 0.88768 0.996
				key = 0.87632 1
				key = 0.86499 1
				key = 0.85368 1
				key = 0.8424 1
				key = 0.83114 1
				key = 0.81993 0.998
				key = 0.8088 0.993
				key = 0.79778 0.985
				key = 0.78689 0.976
				key = 0.77616 0.963
				key = 0.76566 0.945
				key = 0.75529 0.935
				key = 0.74509 0.922
				key = 0.73504 0.911
				key = 0.72512 0.9
				key = 0.71535 0.889
				key = 0.70576 0.874
				key = 0.69632 0.863
				key = 0.68703 0.85
				key = 0.67789 0.839
				key = 0.66888 0.828
				key = 0.65998 0.819
				key = 0.65127 0.804
				key = 0.64267 0.795
				key = 0.63414 0.791
				key = 0.62576 0.778
				key = 0.61749 0.769
				key = 0.60936 0.758
				key = 0.60131 0.752
				key = 0.59336 0.745
				key = 0.58546 0.741
				key = 0.5777 0.73
				key = 0.57002 0.724
				key = 0.56247 0.713
				key = 0.55505 0.702
				key = 0.54772 0.695
				key = 0.54047 0.689
				key = 0.53328 0.684
				key = 0.52613 0.682
				key = 0.51902 0.68
				key = 0.51187 0.684
				key = 0.5047 0.689
				key = 0.49749 0.693
				key = 0.49025 0.697
				key = 0.48299 0.702
				key = 0.47569 0.706
				key = 0.46834 0.712
				key = 0.46091 0.721
				key = 0.45344 0.728
				key = 0.44595 0.73
				key = 0.43839 0.738
				key = 0.43078 0.745
				key = 0.4231 0.753
				key = 0.41539 0.758
				key = 0.40765 0.762
				key = 0.39986 0.769
				key = 0.39202 0.775
				key = 0.38412 0.782
				key = 0.3762 0.786
				key = 0.36825 0.79
				key = 0.36024 0.797
				key = 0.35218 0.801
				key = 0.34408 0.805
				key = 0.33592 0.812
				key = 0.32768 0.818
				key = 0.31941 0.823
				key = 0.31109 0.827
				key = 0.30277 0.827
				key = 0.29443 0.829
				key = 0.28609 0.829
				key = 0.27775 0.829
				key = 0.26944 0.827
				key = 0.26116 0.823
				key = 0.25298 0.814
				key = 0.24486 0.807
				key = 0.23682 0.799
				key = 0.22886 0.792
				key = 0.22098 0.783
				key = 0.21316 0.777
				key = 0.20544 0.768
				key = 0.19782 0.757
				key = 0.19032 0.746
				key = 0.1829 0.738
				key = 0.17559 0.727
				key = 0.16839 0.716
				key = 0.16132 0.703
				key = 0.15433 0.694
				key = 0.14746 0.683
				key = 0.14066 0.677
				key = 0.13389 0.672
				key = 0.12715 0.67
				key = 0.12046 0.666
				key = 0.11382 0.659
				key = 0.10726 0.653
				key = 0.10078 0.644
				key = 0.09437 0.638
				key = 0.08805 0.629
				key = 0.08179 0.622
				key = 0.07559 0.616
				key = 0.06949 0.607
				key = 0.06347 0.598
				key = 0.05754 0.59
				key = 0.05176 0.574
				key = 0.04608 0.566
				key = 0.04052 0.553
				key = 0.03507 0.542
				key = 0.02977 0.527
				key = 0.0247 0.505
				key = 0.0199 0.477
				key = 0.01557 0.431
				key = 0.01218 0.337
				key = 0.00959 0.257
				key = 0.00762 0.196
				key = 0.00593 0.168
				key = 0.00465 0.127
				key = 0.00371 0.094
				key = 0.00294 0.077
				key = 0.00236 0.057
				key = 0.00187 0.048
				key = 0.00147 0.04
				key = 0.00114 0.033
				key = 0.00087 0.027
				key = 0.00065 0.022
				key = 0.00047 0.018
				key = 0.00033 0.014
				key = 0.00022 0.011
				key = 0.00013 0.009
				key = 0.00006 0.007
				key = 0.00001 0.005
			}
		}
	}
}

[Svm420]

Shouldn't your engine module and corresponding label in moduleengineconfigs be ModuleEnginesRF? You have ModuleEnginesFX.

[maccollo]

I tried to change it to ModuleEngineRF as you suggested. No change

ModuleEnginesFX has been in there since I added the part, and it has worked fine until right now when I updated real fuels.

Edited September 13, 2015 by maccollo

[NathanKell]

Can you post the relevant bit of ModuleManager.ConfigCache?

EDIT: And yes, it does need to end up as ModuleEnginesRF--that's the only way to have the thrust curve now.

[maccollo]

Tried to delete the chase and rebuild it, but that didn't work either.

Anyway, here it is..

Edit*

Appears I forgot to add the thrust curve resource line back in. it works now =D

MODULE
		{
			name = ModuleEngineConfigs
			type = ModuleEngines
			configuration = Ares1_5Seg
			modded = false
			CONFIG
			{
				name = Ares1_5Seg
				maxThrust = 17885.99
				heatProduction = 100
				PROPELLANT
				{
					name = PBAN
					ratio = 1
					DrawGauge = True
				}
				atmosphereCurve
				{
					key = 0 268
					key = 1 242
				}
				thrustCurve
				{
					key = 0.99986 0.950
					key = 0.9887 0.961
					key = 0.97757 0.961
					key = 0.96646 0.961
					key = 0.95535 0.963
					key = 0.94419 0.97
					key = 0.93296 0.978
					key = 0.92167 0.985
					key = 0.91034 0.991
					key = 0.89901 0.994
					key = 0.88768 0.996
					key = 0.87632 1
					key = 0.86499 1
					key = 0.85368 1
					key = 0.8424 1
					key = 0.83114 1
					key = 0.81993 0.998
					key = 0.8088 0.993
					key = 0.79778 0.985
					key = 0.78689 0.976
					key = 0.77616 0.963
					key = 0.76566 0.945
					key = 0.75529 0.935
					key = 0.74509 0.922
					key = 0.73504 0.911
					key = 0.72512 0.9
					key = 0.71535 0.889
					key = 0.70576 0.874
					key = 0.69632 0.863
					key = 0.68703 0.85
					key = 0.67789 0.839
					key = 0.66888 0.828
					key = 0.65998 0.819
					key = 0.65127 0.804
					key = 0.64267 0.795
					key = 0.63414 0.791
					key = 0.62576 0.778
					key = 0.61749 0.769
					key = 0.60936 0.758
					key = 0.60131 0.752
					key = 0.59336 0.745
					key = 0.58546 0.741
					key = 0.5777 0.73
					key = 0.57002 0.724
					key = 0.56247 0.713
					key = 0.55505 0.702
					key = 0.54772 0.695
					key = 0.54047 0.689
					key = 0.53328 0.684
					key = 0.52613 0.682
					key = 0.51902 0.68
					key = 0.51187 0.684
					key = 0.5047 0.689
					key = 0.49749 0.693
					key = 0.49025 0.697
					key = 0.48299 0.702
					key = 0.47569 0.706
					key = 0.46834 0.712
					key = 0.46091 0.721
					key = 0.45344 0.728
					key = 0.44595 0.73
					key = 0.43839 0.738
					key = 0.43078 0.745
					key = 0.4231 0.753
					key = 0.41539 0.758
					key = 0.40765 0.762
					key = 0.39986 0.769
					key = 0.39202 0.775
					key = 0.38412 0.782
					key = 0.3762 0.786
					key = 0.36825 0.79
					key = 0.36024 0.797
					key = 0.35218 0.801
					key = 0.34408 0.805
					key = 0.33592 0.812
					key = 0.32768 0.818
					key = 0.31941 0.823
					key = 0.31109 0.827
					key = 0.30277 0.827
					key = 0.29443 0.829
					key = 0.28609 0.829
					key = 0.27775 0.829
					key = 0.26944 0.827
					key = 0.26116 0.823
					key = 0.25298 0.814
					key = 0.24486 0.807
					key = 0.23682 0.799
					key = 0.22886 0.792
					key = 0.22098 0.783
					key = 0.21316 0.777
					key = 0.20544 0.768
					key = 0.19782 0.757
					key = 0.19032 0.746
					key = 0.1829 0.738
					key = 0.17559 0.727
					key = 0.16839 0.716
					key = 0.16132 0.703
					key = 0.15433 0.694
					key = 0.14746 0.683
					key = 0.14066 0.677
					key = 0.13389 0.672
					key = 0.12715 0.67
					key = 0.12046 0.666
					key = 0.11382 0.659
					key = 0.10726 0.653
					key = 0.10078 0.644
					key = 0.09437 0.638
					key = 0.08805 0.629
					key = 0.08179 0.622
					key = 0.07559 0.616
					key = 0.06949 0.607
					key = 0.06347 0.598
					key = 0.05754 0.59
					key = 0.05176 0.574
					key = 0.04608 0.566
					key = 0.04052 0.553
					key = 0.03507 0.542
					key = 0.02977 0.527
					key = 0.0247 0.505
					key = 0.0199 0.477
					key = 0.01557 0.431
					key = 0.01218 0.337
					key = 0.00959 0.257
					key = 0.00762 0.196
					key = 0.00593 0.168
					key = 0.00465 0.127
					key = 0.00371 0.094
					key = 0.00294 0.077
					key = 0.00236 0.057
					key = 0.00187 0.048
					key = 0.00147 0.04
					key = 0.00114 0.033
					key = 0.00087 0.027
					key = 0.00065 0.022
					key = 0.00047 0.018
					key = 0.00033 0.014
					key = 0.00022 0.011
					key = 0.00013 0.009
					key = 0.00006 0.007
					key = 0.00001 0.005
				}
			}
		}

Edited September 14, 2015 by maccollo

[Hrv123]

Hi, I have a question about "LR97/H-1/RS-27 Series Booster [1.0 m]" and "LR89 Series Booster [1.0 m]" that I just hit an issue in career game RO+RSS+other moods, installed with ckan. Using them in first stage, about passing 10000m + ~1000-3000m they shut down and game reports lack of ignition. In two cases when I managed to do full circle or two with rocket for around that altitude they continued to burn. Reading a bit on their history, work failures and original intent to be used as first stage motors, is their shutting down intended or some sort of bug?

As if intended it would save me from waisting lots of IRl time in attempts to make them work :/

EDIT EDIT:

Issue remains, tried reloading game, rebuilding in VAB, no change

A screnie

Edited September 14, 2015 by Hrv123

[NathanKell]

Do you still have control? I've never heard of that issue before, so my first suggestion would be to make sure you still have an active connection to the ground station, you still have sufficient avionics, and you don't have MechJeb (or anything else) set to limit throttle to terminal velocity, or in any other way mess with throttle.

[ebigunso]

When I stage my rockets while 100% throttle setting (burned out), I get a vapor in the feedlines message with the name of the lower stage engine that I just separated off.

I use StockAlike engine configs. Release version was used at this point.

Encountered this in v10.6, but didn't see it said in the change log so I reported here anyways.

[AdmiralTigerclaw]

Potential severe bug encountered using RF with Tweakscale involving a LV-909 'Terrier' Liquid Fuel Engine. This data is posted in the Tweakscale thread, as well as here.

Scaling an LV-909 'Terrier' Liquid Engine down to fit on a .675 meter size object results in the following CTD instances.

- Changing to 'In Flight' scene for launch

- Loading the ship back up into the VAB after restarting KSP

Crashes randomly either CTD completely, or manage to generate an error report that flags mono.dll.

Important Mod Environment Points:

- Real Fuels in use w/t stockalike cfgs

- FAR in use

Pertinent Additional observations:

- Crash is semi-consistent (I produced it multiple times initially with the desired part, and then stripped the components down to near nothing and started getting all the way to 'in flight' scenes)

- Events of non-crash and returning to VAB show loss of Real Fuels GUI values (blank RF GUI when it is opened for the engine)

- Engine 'gui' data loss was consistent after leaving VAB and returning, clearing the part, and grabbing it again.

- GUI recovers after program restart on new part selection, however, saved vessel design with already glitched part instantly CTDs open attempting to load.

[ebigunso]

I've said this in the TweakScale thread too but I have had the crash issue too, when scaling engines of any sort, RCS ports, and solid fuel motors.

The game crashes whenever it tries to load a craft with those scaled parts attached, resulting in the need to undo the scaling by editing the craft file in order to work on the craft again.

[ebigunso]

It'd be great if we could get RPM integration for the engine/fuel status just like back when we used EI. I hope you can add that to the list of things to do.

With that I can go on to doing those full IVA missions for the immersion!

[NathanKell]

Yes, I've been meaning to do that for a while, just been busy. Same with fixing the tweakscale issue. :\

[Svm420]

Hey Nathan I am relatively sure that RealFuels is the cause of my game being spammed. I believe it is related to ullage fuel stability. I am getting spammed by a set of 3 numbers in parentheses upon getting an periapsis above the atmosphere. Here is a link to the thread better describing the issue. I have no log of it as there is nothing to point out where the spam comes from, so a log does nothing for this other than show it starts when I get a stable orbit and goes no stop as long as I am in orbit. It has killed 3 careers trying to find out where this unlabeled spam is coming from. If you are positive it isn't RealFuel, and as much as I hope it isn't I hope it is just so I can end the witch hunt, then I apologize for the accusation I just am at wits end with this being spammed and only me apparently suffering from it. Thanks!

- - - Updated - - -

Another reason I think it is ullage related is when I decoupled all liquid fuel stages and only had a SRM for deorbit on my pod the spam stopped.