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  1. On 6/18/2023 at 3:50 PM, DDE said:

    Heck, the use of neural networks as an excuse to dismiss reality is almost outpacing their use to fabricate reality.

    Continuing to the above, I've seen people dismiss the March of Justice on Moscow as a false flag via hacked TG account and a neural net (it helped that the perpetrator relies primarily on TG voice messages for PR).

    A tense standoff, a running ground-to-air battle and two dozen dead people later...

  2. 1 hour ago, SunlitZelkova said:

    I disagree because there is better regulatory oversight for spaceflight

    OceanGate apparently chose jurisdictions that had nonexistent regulatory oversight. Similar shenanigans are likely to ensue in space tourism; attempts to impose the launching country's safety standards could be repelled by whinging over "denial of access to space to developing nations".

    Wouldn't want to keep Elbonia's space program down!

  3. 1 hour ago, magnemoe said:

    As I understand some of the crew survived for some hours in the rear part of Kursk. Probably not long enough to been rescued even if everyone cooperated perfectly. 

    Aha, but the knocks were reported at least half a week later.

  4. 2 hours ago, Superluminal Gremlin said:

    Noises apparently heard by P-3 have been confirmed by the USCG. 

    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-65953941

    The sound is almost certainly the crew. That raises the question. Why are they still alive? How are they still alive? What happened?

    https://twitter.com/USCGNortheast/status/1671372007110320128

    Kursk wibes... Various sounds were reported at a point when, from forensic evidence, everyone was already dead.

  5. Finland still uses the Criminal Code of 1889. Which means that, were you to open it, you would be greeted with the words "We Alexander the Third, by the Grace of God, Emperor and Sovereign of all Russias, Czar of Poland, Grand Duke of Finland, et cetera et cetera et cetera..."

    I get forgotten laws like the ban on wearing armor in the British Parliament, but I'm surprised that nobody's tried taking a bulldozer to the preamble of a law so vital.

  6. 59 minutes ago, magnemoe said:

    Stuff like this has been around for an long time.

     

    On 6/16/2023 at 6:53 PM, darthgently said:

    We are spiraling into a black hole of centralized narrative weaving and political arbitration of "truth"

    No. I think we're actually slowly coming to grips with just the opposite. The news media has always been the delegation of fact-finding and thinking to a different person; the idealized careful consumer who read news critically and weighed them for plausibility never really existed. The first form of such media was the town crier - a person you trusted due to cohabitation and common self-interest, who you could, at worst, punch sense into. This didn't change much with the advent of the printing press. This did, however, change with the rise of the telegraph, which concentrated information in the hands of the newswires. Today's two-tier system emerged, with less than a half-dozen companies providing all the headlines, and a second tier of media echoing them. It's also the system that enabled the rise of modernist nation-states with the above-mentioned common political reality and news agenda. But note how this didn't set off the collapse of local newspapers - only the TV did. It did so because it provided a form of parasocial relationship with the new form of street crier.

    However, I think, mass media guys made the wrong conclusions. They thought this new industrialized mass media was the product of their highfalutin standards of objectivity, et cetera et cetera. They sought the secret sauce to Walter Cronkite was the CBS backstage, and not Walter Cronkite. They were completely taken aback when the new social media-enabled street criers turned out to garner legitimacy more easily than some faceless cubicle rat at Reuters. Indeed, consider that their preferred response to "misinformation" is deeply bureaucratic in fashion, trying to rein the situation in and put social media under censorship by Old Media.

    The problem is that people still go to street criers of their choice, and they gain utility when the street crier's thought process matches their own, causing them to cover issues of concern and follow similar patterns of analysis. Otherwise you end up arguing with the TV presenter, which is entertaining, but not too pragmatic. And so people have, do, and always will look for news sources that share their worldview. It may be Contrapoints. Or it may be Maryanna "Wagner Group Bunny" Bat'kova.

    Therefore, the old method of imposing a shared reality through an institutional hegemony is dead. That means a shared reality could only be based around the opinions of widely accepted authority figures. But the allure of discounting massive swathes of society as not worthy of being included into your consensus is too great; in some cases, it may be an unachievable task. But first and foremost, you need to recognize the problem start making an effort at it, even if it would take a saint.

    5 minutes ago, darthgently said:

    This goes well beyond Photoshop.  Imagine your parent or spouse receiving a phone call.   Everything about the call tells them it is you they are talking to.  The AI deepfake on the other end knows endless details about you and your life.  It can mimick your voice excellently enough for a phone call.  From data mining it knows your likes, dislikes, annoyances, doubts, hopes, and where you told others you'd be and can answer questions about your flight, the local weather, etc accurately and using the phrasing and style you use.  The AI is spoofing your phone number on caller ID.  But in reality the AI is working for a company in competition with yours, a nation hostile to your nation, or a drug cartel who doesn't like your high profile activism against them since losing a family member to their activities.  And it is all automated.  No need to devote a team of people.  You don't have to be incredibly important as the tech is cheap.   They could find out even more detailed business or state information from the call.  They could end your marriage in one conversation if they chose to.  They could leave an already depressed parent in a suicidal state if they chose to.

    This isn't faking a photo.  This is faking you, or faking people influential in your life, to the point that people can trust nothing not experienced in person.

    In the past, falsified letters presented a similar problem with similar outcomes. Again, not a qualitative change.

  7. 2 hours ago, TheSaint said:

    That's cool and all, but when I see a story about 14-year-old who has graduated college, I think that's like a vegan cat. Somebody else is making the decisions there.

    The well-publicised story of Alisa Teplyakova (accepted to a bachelor of psychology program at age 9) is very, very illustrative here. She failed one of her early exams, ran away crying, and her dad proceeded to rough up the staff. Unfortunately the story is still developing, apparently Alisa is currently enrolled into anywhere between two and five universities, with her dad boasting that she's gone through 40 exams. He's making a similar push with her junior brother Heimdall (typical Belarusian name, natch). And these are just two of their seven kids.

  8. Further to the above (literal law-mowing thought) the ability to produce fake content would have two-pronged consequences. It will allow members of existing opinion groups to engage in greater self-delusion; they already treat outside content with bad faith ("inoculation"). The real battle would, however, be over the few remaining neutrals. This group would, however, quickly become jaded and vanishingly small.

    To again use Sunlit's example, this sorts of hacked broadcasts have been a fixture since the beginning of, ahem, known events. The only new thing was the video format and the associated deepfake; indeed, the way the content matched prior psyops tripped many peoples' alarm bells (except, maybe, Tuymen, which isn't close enough to the action to be inoculated).

  9. On 6/16/2023 at 6:53 PM, darthgently said:

    We are spiraling into a black hole of centralized narrative weaving and political arbitration of "truth"

    https://spacenews.com/intelligence-analysts-confront-the-reality-of-deepfakes/

    That was actually the worst possible example to base this off of. The photo quite literally looked like a random plume of smoke; AI was unnecessary to create it, and... how do we even know it was?

    The recent Trump-Fauci debacle (which had telltale signs of AI, like bad lattering on the White House seal) or @SunlitZelkova's example of a speech by our Darkest Overlord (Наитемнейший) are far more poignant.

    On 6/17/2023 at 4:09 AM, SunlitZelkova said:

    the end of shared reality and truth is coming

    It's been a long time coming owing to the Memory Wars. Heck, the use of neural networks as an excuse to dismiss reality is almost outpacing their use to fabricate reality.

    Spoiler

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    "A neural network can draw you anything"

    As someone who tried to get AI to draw a tank, I can tell you this is way beyond their capability.

     

  10. On 6/16/2023 at 10:49 PM, magnemoe said:

    The decoy part is probably the most complex as this thing would be much slower than an helicopter and radars can cut out stuff based on velocity so you need to trick the radar. 

    Well, there is a target type that is just that slow, so they can't afford to keep the Doppler cutoff high.

    https://t.me/rybar/39258

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