ColdJ

Hi. What parachute is that 1?

Made a present for @Hotel26 and uploaded it to KerbalX. https://kerbalx.com/ColdJ/Stock-Orion-KX

So I have passed this knowledge on to @Hotel26 in a personal message, now I am giving it to those who dare to dream of new horizons. As always make backups of your originals so if you get anything wrong you can revert. Also the amendments need to be done to both original and future kerbalEVA and match for this to work. If you have Breaking Ground. If you have Making History there is probably a Vintage version you have to amend. I reset EVA Proppelant back to it's original 0 density state. and then added this resource. to the ResourcesGeneric.cfg Then just below this entry in the kerbalEva.cfg RESOURCE { name = EVA Propellant amount = 5 maxAmount = 5 isTweakable = False isTweakable = False } I added this. And then at the end of the kerbalEva.cfg above the end bracket I put in this. And if you got all the kerbalEVA , kerbalEVAFuture and female variants. then they should have this. Enjoy.

Came to update my Kerbals exploration only to find that @Hotel26 had been having similar adventures and technological achievements. So there had been talk in the Kerbal Archeology community that once Kerbin hadn't been as wet and that when, one really hot summer, had caused Ice Melt at the poles, The ocean had risen dramatically. Also that the first forays into space travel were at a site near the old air base and that the air base had actually been built up apon a small mountain. This led the community to believe that the original site was now submerged. So a pilot and a scientist went out to investigate in the latest fast explorer submarine. Taking off from the KSC harbour. The pilot decided to take it for spin. But then they settled down to find what they were looking for. They tried to set up the seismograph to take readings but had forgotten to read the manual. Then the scientist had a mishap, bumped his head and discovered that Kerbals lose all their mass while unconsious. Having woken up on the surface he headed all the way back down to take a selfie before heading home.

Hi @JadeOfMaar. Your obviously intelligent and articulate and a kindred spirit. The reason a free and open forum brings results is because human beings of intelligence may all approach the same problem from a different angle. I fully appreciate the method you have chosen. The thing is if I wanted to build a submarine, a boat, a plane, or a rocket with the same part, then having the underlying characteristics of that part changed, just for use as a submarine part, takes away from the other uses. I have made seaplanes. If I change the buoyancy of parts then the seaplane might sink rather than float when I land. KSP physics does not understand that if you trap air in a hollow space then you are more buoyant. (Quick aside: I watched a Youtube vid of one of the prolific youtube KSP builders. He put several fuel tanks in a cargo bay. Cargo bay doors open, all the fuel tanks kept buoyancy. Cargo bay closed. Fuel tanks still weighed down the craft the same but lost their buoyancy characteristic. He had used this principle to have a sinkable underwater base.) I freely admit that the first time I sank a heavy Sub I descended too fast, hit the bottom and the ballast tank snapped straight off. But I have the "NSI" parts pack, and a lot of their models are just reconfigs of standard parts, made bigger and stronger. so I went in to the config file, looked at what had been adjusted and added this into the ballast tank config. breakingForce = 5000 breakingTorque = 5000 Since then I have never snapped a ballast tank off, and believe me I have had some serious crashes in a Nuclear Attack size Sub, when I have rushed descent while travelling at full throttle. So any way, my way of approaching the problem has worked for me. All the players out there will choose whatever method they are comfortable with. We just give them the freedom to choose a method they like. Me I am just happy that I am now able to build subs, have Kerbals EVA underwater and sink, rise or do neither as they work, and get in a chair that allows them to go in any direction, up, down, compass or slantwise. Just like Willy Wonka's glass elevator. Keep up the great work and if you have new ideas or just want your patch to be seen by people to give them that option. Fell free to post in "Working Underwater "whenever you like. Giving people options is what this is all about.

That is an idea. I haven't done much with funky undulating craft, but with the fuel lines I reckon it might be Possible. of course on kerbal x you can't put the modded stuff yet, so you would have to do it stock and then swap in the parts you have made once downloaded.

So, when one has achieved the goals they set out to do. What should one do with their new found freedoms? Also if you have got your ballast tanks , thrusters and underwater engines made. Then make a small swift sub and and go racing. It feels like you are in a STAR WARS movie. Cause obviously flying in water feels different from air. Try it at night and see how well you can skim the bottom without crashing. Enjoy.

Always appreciated. and hey, if they want to do all the work so I can sit back and just enjoy the finished product. Then YAY. I haven't built a realistic jet for a week now and I am getting depressed about it. @Stone Blue

Hi @Stone Blue as you have most likely read the response I wrote to JadeOfMar. You would see that when you wrote. Also, keep in mind, putting MM patches directly into, or globally changings things in *your* part cfgs, may in effect cause the very issue you mentioned, about not liking global changes from mods. Its always easier to enable/disable a single MM patch from one mod, that may have a hundred seperate patches in it, than to enable/disable 100 MM patches strewn throighout 100 seperate part.cfgs That you were touching on the very point I was making. I have seen mods that happily "Take Over" with a global MM patch, putting themselves on every model you make. I had downloaded a mod once that had small lights to put on your craft. What I didn't know at the time was that it globally patched every light type to have coloured lenses. When I removed the mod, I had to go through every craft I had ever built with mk1s or mk2s and clear them of the module left in the craft files. So what I am doing here is simply configing up new parts using available meshes. Except for the Kerbal EVA as that is something only Angel-125's SCUBA mod can do through a special part as far as I am aware. If someone offers to make up original meshes to go with the configs that would be wonderful, as I don't have the means. But the point is new parts that stand on their own and make it possible to use all the standard stuff you get with KSP for underwater use without a single patch being needed. Nothing to conflict with any other mod. I happily put the names of the resources out for everyone to read and I have the "Community Resources" pack. No conflict has turned up on my game with the names I have used. Here is what I have named, if you find a conflict with a resource name from somebodies mod please tell me and I will change them. The first is actually the resource that came with the Leviathan carrier mod and was used by the mod for ballast (it's what set me down this path) and that is "Liquid" in no way changed from the way that mod had it configured. Then "IntakeWater" ,"EVA Ballast", "IonSteam". That is all I have created and need for things to work. When I joined the forum about a week ago, I came here trying to find answers on how to do things, because no search engine was ever very good at turning up something useful. But people have experience and you can ask them questions. I was actually hoping that someone else had already done this stuff and that I could be directed to the right mod. I certainly didn't expect to have a week of little sleep as I created things that I had assumed some bright spark had already done. So to reiterate. No patches needed, no need to conflict with mods that really creative people have come up with. Just parts that let you play in the sand box in a new way.

Now you are using your noggin. But are you ever going to recover your lost brethren?

Build your veteran kerbals a nice retirement home in the hangar and devise a way to get it onto that large island northish of the KSC, so that they have a nice view and can go fishing.

Thanks for contacting me. My question is does it affect all stock parts or just those you choose? With the ballast system we are using 1 or two tanks, depending on the type of underwater craft you are building, that is all that is required to overcome buoyancy. The tanks use the generator module to create ballast. A resource that we define for it's density. So large tanks use a resource that is a ton per unit. I have also created small to micro tanks for my Underwater RCS chair. That are only 10 kg per unit. If you are not into Tweakscale you can have different size tanks that you choose for the job. Or if you do use Tweakscale you can have only 2 tanks that scale to your needs. I actually had to add buoyancy to the version of the external command chair I created for the under water RCS. I also managed to crack having the Kerbals having a separate ballast resource on them that they can fill or purge to walk around on the bottom or to become neutrally buoyant. Which made me very happy. I had used a more primitive version to walk around at the deepest point in the ocean. So if your mod provides a UI in game to individually adjust buoyancy per part and work out how much is needed to become neutral, then I am all for it. I am just not comfortable having all parts reconfigured. More than happy to have your insights and any thing you can do to help. This is an open, free thinking space for those who would like to work in and under the water. If one day it becomes a parts mod or config pack that's fine. But if all that happens is we swap configs so we can all have the experience then that is fine too.

https://kerbalx.com/ColdJ/APC-Mini-Wall-Hugger-KX @Weak Player You seem to like challanges so why don't you download my APC wallhugger and climb vertically up the building of your choice. Warning, overhangs take practive so maybe start with white wall either side of the orange door side of the VAB. I have climbed everything but the flagpole, and I do mean every structure that comes in stock KSP. @Stone Blue I read it again. I really don't like global MM patches. I have had plenty of problems with them. I also put things on Kerbal X. The number of times I have downloaded a craft I thought was compatible, only to find it has all these MM added modules that make it unloadable by me. Individual parts are far less trouble. After disabling patches from BD and Mechjeb I had over 2000 less patches that needed to be uploaded by MM.

Anything you can do is appreciated. If you look up a bit higher I gave configs for Intakes, thrusters, and an engine for decent Large fuel tank bodied subs. @Hohmannson Thank you very much. I have skimmed it before I will go more in depth. I didn't like the overcomplication of crushing depth pressures. Thanks for your help in everything. I am using imgur all the time.

I think they are concentrating on getting KSP2 up and running, anything new is up to independant mod makers I reckon. Like we are trying to achieve in the forum thread, Working Underwater.

Starting from the begining of the thread and reading through would be helpful. But basically, some of us would like to be able to do underwater stuff. We are creating config files that allow us to take meshes/models that are available to anybody who has Vanilla KSP and create new parts to do this. Remember KSP started as just trying to get a rocket into orbit. It has evolved from there, and as the game now makes it possible to interact in water, we are creating the next step in opening the sandbox up to new things you can do.

Many many stumbles later I have found that I missed a vital parameter in my EVA Ballast resource and thought every failure to make a separate ballast in a Kerbal proved it not possible. After finding 100 ways not to make a Light Bulb Fillament. Let there be light. I now have the EVA Propellant back to it's original and have a separate EVA Ballast in the UI that works. I also pulped my forehead trying to get a command chair have adjustable ballast, but it will only display Electric Charge. On the upside it will use it's Electric Charge reserve to produce the IonSteam used by the underwater EVA Thrusters for the chair. I made the chair slightly buoyant and created a micro ballast ball to give the chair the ability to become 99% neutrally buoyant. Enough so that you can leave the chair to do things and have it basically stay at the level you exited it from for plenty of time while you work. It also uses EVA Ballast as it's input/output. One of my collaborators metioned not liking putting things in the Squad folder structure. I only give you the configs like this so you can find the dependecies easily. Feel free once you have the configs to create your own folder structure that you are happy with. Just remember to copy all dependencies to your new folder and change the file path for the mesh in your config file. Obviously though not for the Kerbal EVA configs. So if you would like to try out the new configs let me know. 1 trouble is I had to use a Kerbanov mesh for the 4 way RCS so to create that thruster you will need the Kerbanov mod pack. Again. If anyone out there can create original meshes for the configs and is willing to do so, please let us know. @Hotel26 @Angel-125 @Tsar_bomba @Caerfinon @swjr-swis @Klapaucius @Dientus @Stone Blue @Astrion @Cavscout74 @BadOaks @JorgeCS @Weak Player @N_Danger @JB182@Hohmannson

Thanks. I will try it out. Do I stick it in the custom resource or in the Intake that creates the IntakeWater ?

This interesting. According to this forum post from 2015. There are resources that are defined by biome. So if someone were to take all the work we have been doing to create a mod pack for working underwater. You could make it that If they run on Intake Water and your choice of fuel, electricity etc, that they would only function if they were in Kerbin or Laythe's water.

Thanks @Hotel26. I finally found it. It is annoying that the direct index never seems to find what you are looking for, so I have to go to Duck Duck Go to find what is in the Forums.

. On a side note. Any body know what the HSP setting in the Resource Definition settings means?

I know you have to use vessel mover to move things to water. But in mine where I can launch from water I can attest that both your original thermal system and the 1 I did can get the glider to take off from water. So if you gently ditch in the sea, then if you have your reserve you could take off again.

@Cavscout74 I love your posts. Both pretty and the feeling of a plot and adventure. If it doesnt upset the way you like to do things. you can create a part with an in hangar adjustable mass, that you then put inside your model and shift until you get the COM balanced to where you need it to be. I have a good looking F-14 Tomcat which would be unflyable if not for adjustable weight. One of the parts packs, Coldwar Aerospace introduced me to it and I just created a larger mass version so as to not have to put multiple weights in an aircraft. Keep up the great adventure.

The best games are always the ones that give you a great big open sandbox and then let you come up with creative ways to use them. KSP and Minecraft being the most obvious.

@sarbian. Thanks for the great mod, I especially like being able to put custom readouts on my screen. I play 1.9.1 and use your version 2.9.20 Mostly fine a few quirks like the drop down moving randomly. I have learnt how to fix that in the global cfg file. At some point the Aircraft auto pilot for setting a heading and speed, height etc just stopped working, yet the Aircraft Approach and Autoland works fine. I have a landing sites cfg for all of the Kerbinside bases and , Hafco. but I had to be selective because Mechjeb2 doesn't have terrain avoidance. So not needing you to fix a problem I have. Just wondering if you are able to work with the people who did the BD Armory autopliot to have Mechjeb fly higher and avoid hills and mountains? Thanks for your time and great work.