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[quote name=Seret;1029236 Now I'm not saying negative mass isn't real' date=' just that it isn't necessarily real just because Alcubierre's idea requires it, which seems to be what you're suggesting. I'm suggesting that the warp drive works, but requires negative mass/energy to do what it needs to get done. I never said that negative mass/energy existed because the metric required it. I said that we understand how the thing works, but we just don't have the proper tools yet to make it work.

No, it relies on an unknown form of energy/matter to work. Which you already stated. I explained how the Alcubierre metric works, which relies on both the theory of relativity and quantum physics. The physics behind the drive are very well known (otherwise, how would we have the Alcubierre metric in the first place?), it's just the tool we need to manipulate these physics which is unknown.

3955: Kerbals build their own version of the LHC to research all types of strange matter. 3957: The LHC is completed and begins its first test run. It is a success, and, unlike what many crazy anti-techno-enviormentalists said, the LHC doesn't destroy the planet.

So, we've established that it works (in principle), we just need to figure out how to build it.

I just go to the tracking station to get rid of it. May change come 0.24, when I have to take money into account.

thought you were someone else. I thought about it, and I realized that the Alcubierre drive doesn't break the the laws of the theory of relativity: it uses them to its' advantage. Think of it I like this: Every human can only swim oh so fast, that is, there is an upper speed limit to how fast a human can swim. Water, though, is not bound by these limitations: it can go as fast as it wants. Now, with this information in mind, imagine you, some friends and I are at a beach. You and your friends all swim at different speeds, but even if you were all in perfect physical condition, you could only swim up to a certain speed. Now, imagine I come by on a surfboard. Relative to you, I'm going faster than possible. Yet, relative to the board and the wave, I'm not moving at all, since we're all moving at the same speed. Now, replace you and your friends with STL ships of varying speeds, the water and the board with space time, and me with an FTL ship, and you get an idea of how the Alcubierre drive works. Relative to the universe, the ship is going faster than possible. Relative to the space time it's resting on, the ship isn't moving at all. The latter is all that matters: as long as the ship and the space time 'surfboard' it's riding on are traveling at the same speed, the ship is able to go as fast as it wants without experiencing time dilation.

3953: A new, more well-equipped mission returns to Eeloo. They return to the spot where the beacon was recorded as being placed. A new submersible descends to the site and begins to uncover the layers of silt covering the object. It is identified as a large, triangular vessel, with a bridge like that of a ship rising up near the rear. Small, round objects, presumably vehicles, are found scattered around the ship, each with a pair of vertical, hexagonal wings. An intact specimen is retrieved and brought up the ship. It uses a special set of engines derived from ion engines, except much stronger and allowing a ship to travel much faster.

3508: The Kerbals dispatch a mission to Eeloo. 3510: The mission arrives, dropping a submersible vehicle onto the surface. The sub drills through the ice, eventually reaching a liquid ocean underneath, where it begins to collect samples. It finds a massive object covered by silt. Unable to identify it, the mission places a radio beacon near by to mark the object for future missions. They then pack up and depart for home. 3512: the eeloo mission makes a safe return to kerbin.

Personally, I think we need to at least be humane towards animals, considering that many of them play an important part in our planets' ecosystems.

try space engineers: it has similar physics to ksp combined with the building style of minecraft.

But that has ample proof to back it: chocolate melts, therefore it makes a bad fireguard. A warp drive is something that we have no prior experience with. We've always had experience/knowledge of heat, states of matter, energy, movement, etc., yet no such experience with something that travels at such speeds via an almost magical means of propulsion. Therefore, it is ignorant to say that this thing is useless without actually making it and testing it to see if it works.

You can't say something is useless until you build it, and you can't gauge feasibility with just theorizing. While we're on the subject of theory, who's to say the theory of relativity is true? Supposedly, a theory is a hypothesis with some proof. Yet, the Theory of relativity say that nothing can reach the speed of light, while also saying that we can't see something traveling near that speed. It neatly contradicts itself: nothing can reach the speed of light, and since anything traveling near those speeds is unobservable, you can't prove that this theory is neither false nor true. Also, the theory of relativity was conjured to refute quantum physics, which has been proven to be true. For all we know, ships approaching the light speed barrier don't experience time dilatation, or not as severely as we think. Since we can't observe these things, the Theory of relativity stands as a theory, though it should probably be called the Hypothesis of relativity, since the "proof" it stands on can't be verified as valid.

so we can say that the Goldilocks zone does exist, but it's boundaries are determined by both the star and the planet (but mostly the star).

3505: A massive FTL sleeper ship is constructed to travel to the nearest galaxy. It departs, with 500,000 on board. The ship is expected to arrive 1000 years later, in 4505.

Look at Wikipedia: it says the name of the mission was Cassini-HUYGENS. 3427: The claims of unexterminateable G.E.R.M.S. with anti blast/anti laser armor are found to be falsified. G.E.R.M.S. are, in fact, gone.

In 5 billion years, we'd most likely have Alcubierre drives and run an inter galactic society. At that time, the only thing that would happen is that everyone would fly their flags at half staff in honor of the planet that housed our race for several thousand years.

If the Goldilocks zone is as non-existent as you say it is, then how come Venus and Mars are so inhospitable to life? How come they don't look like the Earth? The Goldilocks zone refers to an area around a star where the conditions that would allow life to form are just right: not too hot, not too cold, not too much light, not too little light. The Earth sits in the middle of this zone, and has life. Yet every other planet, whether it is Mars or Venus, is inhospitable: too cold for ice to melt, too hot for water to stay liquid.

The Alcubierre drive doesn't exist yet, so to say it is useless and unfeasible is rather ignorant. What I find amusing is that people like you are so quick to refuse this kind of stuff just because it doesn't fit Einsteins almighty model of the universe. The Alcubierre drive can be classified as something that operates under quantum mechanics: stuff that shouldn't happen, but does any way. Stuff which has been proven to be true. The Alcubierre drive goes faster than light while, at the same time, not breaking any of the 'laws' in the theory of relativity. It does so by executing a loop hole in that 'law': it doesn't accelerate to the speed of light. Also, that 'law' only says you can't travel at the speed of light, yet doesn't say anything about going faster than it.

3422.1: After some research, it is in fact pronounced/spelled Huygens 3423: G.E.R.M.S. are exterminated solar system wide, since scientist found that they had absolutely no purpose for any ecosystem. 3425: the Kerbals bring down the flag that the kraken planted and load it into a starship. The kraken, enraged at the kerbals for desecrating its property, chases the ship. Its' presence disrupts the warpdrive, which explodes and kills the kraken. Kerbals rejoice at the demise of their greatest enemy.

And to think: the stuff they figure out for the NASA DLC may be useful for implementing stuff in later versions!

Personally, I think parts should stay the same. What you should be able to tweak is what type of fuel tanks can hold. For example, switching a Jumbo 64 from LH2/O2 to Xenon or just LH2. This would allow some engines to run more realistically (LV-N only uses LH2 instead of LH2/O2.).

3400: The kerbals decide to charge up a warp drive deep in a gravity well. This attracts the smacken, which smacks the warp drive. This causes it to destabilize and explode, the resulting warping of space time destroys the Smacken. The Kmaug, in ablind fit of rage, attempts to attack kerbin. It burns up in the atmosphere, killing itself. Space exploration resumes. 3401: A new Cassini-Hyugen mission is restarted, and a new probe is built.

Actually, that is somewhat true: women have a somewhat thinner build then men, with much narrower chins, i.e. women are much less 'blocky' then men. In this case, the picture does girl kerbals some justice: a non-sexualized way of modelling the opposite gender for kerbal men.

why do you think i tried the whole "universe.sys is not responding. please reboot."? 3982: **** happens

As far as I know, resource mining is being put off until scope complete (alpha), that is, when the core of the game (economy, science, etc.) are considered finished (the game has enough core content to be considered finished, this will happen before 1.0). Then they'll move onto feature complete (beta), which is adding stuff like: *resource mining *more accurate aerodynamics model *interstellar travel *telescopes So version 1.0.0 may just well have everything we ever wanted in ksp, considering we're in version 0.23. Please people, have some patience: just because it has been shelved now doesn't mean we won't ever hear of it again. We may very well never see hints of resource mining until 0.37. Believe me, you'll start being a lot less pessimistic once you realize that we have nearly 77 versions to go till 1.0.0