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Not a bug. You have to set the probe to retracted position in order for it to sit seemlessly.

Time to jerry rig a KH-9

Good lord that is a long boy.

@CobaltWolf When do you plan on adding the ATV to 1.7? Just curious. Loving the new parts and would love to see the new Agena docking with Gemini. I know there's the Gemini lander docking port, but it doesn't look right.

According to the video description, that mod is not installed.

The screen shaking is stock. The reentry sound is probably from deadly reentry redone.

@CobaltWolf Getting this too, and I updated to the latest version of B9PS.

He uses 2.5 to 2.7 scale.

Bluedog Design Bureau - "Am I a joke to you?"

KSP 1.9 won't be out for months. Also, wrong thread. This isn't @Beale's thread, this is @CobaltWolf's thread.

@blowfish Any chance for BDB fairing compatibility patch?

Saturn V was 205 decibels. C-8 would probably be close to 300 to 350. For reference 90 is harmful, 140 is almost instant hearing loss. Of course, ear protection can negate the effect. What can't be negated? The damage to buildings. Apparently sound waves from rockets can damage buildings. So C-8's launch pad would probably have to be out on the beach or even out in water to protect the VAB and Administration buildings. For the bigger Nova rockets, they'd probably go Sea Dragon route, tow it out into the ocean and launch from there. Or make an oil rig like platform designed for rocket launches, kind of like that Chinese(?) Rocket launching Ship.

That's not crazy, you know what is? Using SRBs as wide or wider than the Saturn V first stage. Here's ALL The Nova designs.

You think that's bonkers? General Dynamics designed a Nova to use SIXTEEEN. But that doesn't compare to the Martin Marietta Nova with EIGHTEEN F-1s. But I think both of those don't compare to the Douglas Studies OOST and ROOST. Single stage to orbit, maybe even single stage to Mars, rockets.

C-8 was never considered for Mars Direct. If I ever said it was, I was mistaken. It was only used for Moon Direct.

Well, a lot of games get a very simple paper like UI, just so the devs can test functionality and actually play the game themselves for testing purposes. I have no doubt that we'll get a proper non-paper UI when the game launches. In fact, I can see them putting in the old UI for players who want it. And with the increased modability, who's to say that the modding community can't put in their own UI? Imagine having the whole entire screen filled with the Apollo Module dash board? And yes, with ALL the switches working! Or if you're simple, you can go SpaceX like Hud.

It does, at the moment, but you have to remember, it's PRE-ALPHA. This current UI might be for the devs only so they can fly.

Hmmm. Well the Saturn V tower was 120 meters (according to wiki). That's 10 meters taller than Saturn V. If we go with Astronautix,( which I've heard is not all that reliable apparently) The Staurn C-8 Launch tower would be around 131 meters. Plus the crawler, (which would have to lift the launch platform up off the ground 2 meters) would put it all at 133, roughly. With CMBKH in place and a rough saving of 6m , it would be around 127. Of course the tower could end up adding more than 10m. We just dont know. NASA never released the study for the C-8 and if they did I cant find it. The only info we have is, it was considered and it was too big.

The VAB was built for Saturn V and Saturn V alone. They knew how big the rocket was going to be so built the building to a certain height. (It was just lucky that the Space Shuttle was a lot smaller than the Saturn V and didn't need a new building) Saturn C-8 is not much taller than Saturn V, but... Saturn V height: 363.0 ft (110.6 m) Saturn C-8 height: 430 feet (131 m) VAB door opening: 456 feet (139.0 m) Now, you might be looking at the door height and going, "Wait, the door's taller! How is the C-8 too tall?" You're forgetting one crucial piece of equipment. The unsung hero of the Saturn V and the Space Shuttle. The Crawler. Crawler height: 6 to 8 m That would bring the total height of the vehicle to 137 to 139. "Okay, 137 is still within 139." Yes, but we're forgetting two other important pieces. The Launch Platform and Launch Tower. After that, I'd say the C-8 would stand well over 150 meters tall with all the equipment. So to answer your question, would common bulkheads help? Probably not. They probably designed the C-8 with Bulkheads in mind seeing how well they worked on the Saturn V. If they didn't and they changed to common bulkheads, it would only save... 5 to 10 meters? Rough guesstimate, and that's being generous. A more believable number would be 3 to 8 meters of height. So, can the C-8 fit in the VAB? Yes. Can it fit with the crawler? Possibly, tight fit. Can it fit with all the launch equipment? No. Of course Nasa could have done something a lot simpler than build a whole new VAB. Two options actually. Build the C-8 outside. Or... cut the roof off of the VAB, extend it upwards a few dozen meters, than weld the roof back on. And before you say modifying a building that much is ridiculous, they did it before. The space shuttle? Too wide for the doors. So they cut the walls open and replaced the bottom 2 or 3 panels of the door with horizontal plates instead of vertical plates. Saturn C-8 is a lot different. It has a wider first stage. You would need a new interstage, new fuel tank, and new engine mount. The second stage you can just use the Saturn V first stage for as it's roughly the same height as the proposed C-8 second stage, though a engine mount is kind of needed as the C-8 calls for 8 J-2s.

Imo, Saturn Nova wouldn't have been a waste of money or dumb. It was meant to get humans to Mars and iirc it was the rocket meant for the Mars direct missions using that giant Apollo like MEM (Mars Excursion Module). The ONLY reason the C-8 wasn't consider were two things. The major reason? The VAB wasn't tall enough. Though, they could have rectified this by going the SpaceX route and building it outside, or creating a second larger VAB. The second reason was Money. Although, I feel if NASA was planning to send people to Mars back then their funding wouldn't have been cut like it was, but that's just my opinion.

Huh... guess no one here likes the custom made Saturn C-8 Nova I made... *Sad F-1 noises*

It's been confirmed that there are 4 launch pads and 4 landing pads.

I just keep telling mechjeb to circlerize until I'm hsppy.

The monster is born... That's a lotta fire... Saturn V had a 1.5 kilometer flame trail... I wonder how long the C-8's would have been. I think the C-8 needs some nerfing...

There's a video (I can't find it because of course), but someone snuck a camera into the closed door event. They showed the rocket being assembled in a VAB, also showed off the new blue-print mode. There IS a VAB.