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Blue: OMG, 27 tons on Tylo! WOW!!! Will you introduce TILLE more? I don't really see it's body... is it two hitchhiker's module and a cupola? Norcurion: Yes, you may do that, it's like you already done the science on other planets... but please note that if you want to go for the Jebediah's Level then you have to bring back all the scientific data to Kerbin!

Sorry, I missed this question until now. B9 is fine, I like that mod. I didn't know LLL, the parts look good and futuristic! Please check if the engines have similar Thrust-to-Weight ratio like the stock parts, and realistic Isps and if yes, they can be used. This Challenge is about finding creative ways to do this very hard mission, and mods can add to the creativity!

sdj64: Congratulations, you have finished the JOOL-5 mission at Jebediah's Level! Your launch vehicle is enormous! And I like your idea about the staged lander: jets for Laythe, normal version for Vall, additional fuel tank for Tylo + dropping the side rockets, and the lander core is enough for Bop and Pol. This is cool! But your lander is very tall so I imagine you had some hard time landing it, especially on Tylo!!! About the new science collecting method and the Module Lab: to be honest I like this new part. It's much more realistic to collect the experiments from the instruments, and to have a Lab for cleaning the Material Lab and GOOs for reusing. The size/weight of the Lab is a good counterweight of that you don't have to bring back all the instruments. And it is good for low part count too because - as we know - high part number lagging in KSP can destroy the fun of the game... and this is especially true in Great Expeditions, like the JOOL-5 mission...

Hm, one more question: Can I use NovaPunch rockets for the launch? They are much simple and looks much better, and fits better for an Apollo-style mission. I can build Heavy lifting rockets which are capable to bring 100+ tons into LKO without Asparagus, but for me it's already boring to make such rockets... But I will do if you want. By the way I'm going on small-minimal now with the lander and the rovers too, I love to experience small parts nowadays, so my main ship won't be more than about 40t anyway, I guess.... What do you think?

Thanks for the answers! Awesome! I'm planning an "Explore everything" mission with a lot of unmanned rovers too!

Hi, I'm planning my mission and there are some questions: 1. Science Packages can be rovers too? And that way do I get the 10points for the science and 3 for the rover? 2. Can I deploy Science Packages from orbit with rocket/parachute? 3. Can I bring any number of rovers? 4. Can I use Command Seats only for the Lander? Sorry if they were already answered but I can't re-read 110 posts!

Cool, show us pictures! Which one is that, and how does it feel to drive on it?

Okay chlue, your answers are convincing and otherwise I like your ship and mission planning (all the nukes can be used at the same time, little lander with huge dV, little part count and simplicity, high eccentric orbits, etc.) and I see that it could be done, so I will put your name in the Hall of Fame at the 3RD LEVEL, but next time please take more care about pictures! Those are not only the proofs but the fun and example for others who are not good enough yet to execute a huge mission like this!

Nowadays I love to experiment with very small ships so I made a tiny sized Mun Lander and Command Module: http://imgur.com/a/54KRy (I also made a general mission but with MechJeb so I don't count that one as an entry here, but here are the pictures of that: http://imgur.com/a/uVzVq#0) my points: 30 - basic points 20 - two-stage lander 20 - Lander stored behind the CM during ascent 10 - Free return trajectory to the mün 10 - Flawless landing 10 - CM+MM docking 3 - Flag planted 5 - Splashing down ------------------- 108 (+1000 points in the minimal category )

I have made an Apollo-style Mun mission: http://imgur.com/a/uVzVq#0 (I used NovaPunch for the main rocket.) I made a minimal-style version too! http://imgur.com/a/54KRy

I have made an Apollo-style Mun mission: http://imgur.com/a/uVzVq#0 (I used NovaPunch for the main rocket.) I made a minimal-style version with very small command module and mun lander too! http://imgur.com/a/54KRy

Chlue, thank you, but I cannot accept your entry without pictures about all of the crucial moments (especially landings)! I was checking your mission (where I was able to do it by the pictures) and I made a same ship and checked the dVs and it may worked without refueling, but there are some really strange things: 1. to land on Laythe, you have to deorbit first, that would already use up some dV... so maybe your lander was on the edge with 3500m/s. 2. your lander didn't have anything to reload electricity. Okay, 1050 can be enough. 3. Your Tylo lander's descent stage (the huge fuel tank with a general rocket engine) had ~2200 m/s, and your lander about ~3500 m/s (on the screen it was 2200+2200). To land is about 3300 and to get off is about 2400 (I know you started from a ~20km orbit). So it should have been very close, too! I can believe that you made all the mission without cheating but without picture proofs of crucial moments I cannot be %100 sure, so I cannot accept your entry, sorry.

Kasuha, you're awesome, thanks! I'm going to link this into the first page! Hm and, let's say, if you land with two GOO then the first will get 100% data, and what about the second? If you bring back them to Kerbin will it be 200% data or just 100%? Ok, I made a quick try on the launchpad. The first GOO gained 3 science points (100%), the second one was 0.7 (23%), the third one was 0.2 (6%)... it was similar with the Material Bay, but with the other science parts only the first reading had science points (100%), the second and all the other was 0%...

Hmm, can somebody please give me some more information about how science collecting works in 0.23? My questions: 1. What science parts can be "emptied" by a Kerbal when he is on EVA next to them? Which of them can be reused after it? Can you reuse them as many times as you want? 2. How many science data can a Kerbal hold while EVA?Can he collect multiple data from multiple science parts? 3. If a Kerbal collected a science data from a science part and boards a command pod then all the data will be held inside the pod? So, is that possible if you have one command pod and one "Science Package" (containing all the science parts together) then can you make the landing and do all the science with the package (+EVA/samples), empty all the science parts into the command pod, then reuse the science Package in the next landing again? Because this way all the data would be held in the command pod and you don't have to bring back all those science parts (and this would make science collecting much more easy). What do you know about this?

When I was planning my first Jool-5 mission I wanted to collect as many science as possible. I made this challenge and realized that this is already a huge mission and part counts can make it too laggy for many people and so destroying the fun of it, so I created the "lower" levels. My intention with this challenge is to encourage people to plan/execute huge and serious missions too, and to share their engineering experience so this is good for them and for the newbies too. Going on Jebediah's level needs a lot of science parts which can make the game laggy so you have to take care of part counts, and returning all the experiments to Kerbin without damage is an other big challenge, so going with a Mobile Lab makes it easier (weight difference is not so big when you have a 100+ tons ship). But I will allow it because that's the new thing in the game and it may help people with slower computer to go on Jebediah's level too. So Mobile Labs are accepted, yes. I will note it in the Hall of Fame if it were used but it doesn't make the achievement smaller. But you still have to bring 5 Kerbals, one to each moon (not simultaneously)!

Hey Kasuha, nice job! Sorry for misspelling your name at first. I love your solution for the lifting rockets. What version did you use? You are on the Hall of Fame now, well done!

OOOPS, poor guys! But they did History! 700NitroXpress, Now you are on the Hall of Fame too, well done! Good luck with the next mission, with less rescue mission and accident!

Nice job, congratulation! I've posted your mission onto Mixed Solutions because you went out with three Kerbals instead of five, but good job anyway!

Wow, a 4 man lander sounds very ambitious! Good luck, hopefully we will see some great engineering and flying solutions at the end!

Blue: don't worry about the rules (except that you will be added only onto the Mixed Solutions list ), your huge multi-ship Expedition will definitely worth its place on the first page! So keep us updated, I'm curious how you will progress, especially with the huge rover-base at Tylo!! Kasuha: great job, congratulations!! I see your first images, keep them coming and let me know when uploaded all then I will check it and if all looks by the rules then I'll add you to the Hall of Fame!

I don't get it, if you were heading back to Kerbin then what Kerbal was stranded en where? Or the one in space? (sorry but I don't have time to analyze these very long videos )

700NitroXpress: Welcome back! Yeah, I'm happy that you didn't let your Kerbal die on Tylo! I LOVE your rescue lander's design!!!! But yeah, you should always check for the ladder or if they can reach the seat easily... ) Hm, so did you finish all the landings? Can you please collect all the pics/videos for a post into the Hall of Fame? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bobnova: Don't worry, I was the same when I started this Challenge! But if you are planning the mission and the ship well then it will be a success and big fun. You can find deltaV and other informations here, those will help! Good luck, and keep us updated how you progress!

Hm, yeah, docking ports are not so strong... especially when they are vertically positioned. show us pictures too!

Sorry, I was away for some days. Wow Blue, that's a really extensive expedition! SSSPutnik is right, the challenge is about sending one single ship with all the crew, landers, science (optional), etc. But keep us updated and if you finished all the missions I will put your name/pictures somewhere under the official contenders!

SSSPutnik: nice job, congratulations! Hmm, your Tylo lander is extremely big! And I wonder how did you manage to land on 6 legs without collapsing them on Tylo (and causing the Spikes to touch the ground)?! Yeah, I guess you should have made the lander in two: one bigger engine add-on for Tylo and Laythe, and a smaller upper stage for landing on other moons. And this way you would waste so much fuel to move this huge weight around the smaller moons. Maybe next time, if you are planning an other mission!