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Sampa

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I mean why this summer is so hot, and previous summer also.

Is over 34 C i'm almost dying :( I wonder how much more those heat ways would last?

You must be a Californian! There is no water to cool us off!

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vger

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You must be a Californian! There is no water to cool us off!

Take the case to L.A. Even Mother Nature is sick of all the film remakes, and now a siege is in progress.

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That very much depends on where it is 34 degrees. Sometimes it is fine, in other places it really is a pressing heat that wears you down. I am not sure whether that is moisture or something, but there is a difference for sure.

May be the fact that the walls are heated up (from the heat during the weeks before) and now bombard you with infrared radiation (thereby heating your body up more than it would be possible through the air alone)

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Humidity, actually. Human body cooling system works by evaporation of sweat. In humid environments, evaporation is less efficient, since the air is saturated, so cooling efficiency drops, hence the pressing heat despite 34-degrees temperature.

Humidity certainly is a factor, though it appears to be more complex than just those two variables. Maybe air pressure, elevation or a complex interaction of factors.

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Darnok

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I surprise you I'm From Poland :)

It seems that the weather totally went crazy.

We had few natural events that are cause of that ;)

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Before you hit conspiracy theory button ;) read this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_radiation_management

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/Royal_Society_Content/policy/publications/2009/8693.pdf

https://royalsociety.org/~/media/Royal_Society_Content/policy/projects/solar-radiation-governance/DES2391_SRMGI%20report_web.pdf

Stratospheric aerosols

Large volcanic eruptions release millions of tons of sulphur dioxide into the

Earth’s upper atmosphere (the stratosphere), which react to form tiny particles –

aerosols – in the form of sulphates. These aerosols then circulate the planet on

the stratospheric winds and block out a small amount of inbound sunlight. This

phenomenon temporarily cools the Earth, sometimes detectably for a year or

two depending on the size of the eruption. The artificial injection of aerosols to

mimic this natural phenomenon could also produce a cooling effect. It has been

suggested that releasing a sufficient quantity of aerosols (such as sulphate

particles) could reduce some of the effects of climate change at relatively low

cost. Furthermore, the cooling effects of stratospheric aerosols are expected to

be relatively evenly distributed around the world.

http://www.srmgi.org/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364032113008460

Some geoengineering schemes propose solar radiation management technologies that modify terrestrial albedo or reflect incoming shortwave solar radiation back to space.

http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v2/n10/full/nclimate1528.html

The deliberate injection of particles into the stratosphere has been suggested as a possible geoengineering scheme to mitigate the global warming aspect of climate change. Injected particles scatter solar radiation back to space and thus reduce the radiative balance of Earth.

I wonder what are going to be local and global side effects :huh:

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First off, it has never been done on purpose and on large scale like that. now if it ever was to happen, there would be no side effects apart from the eventual toxicity of the aerosols (wich i'm sure would be taken into consideration --' ). If done properly the only effect would be a stop of the global warming due to the change in albedo... Can't think of any side effect

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Darnok

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First off, it has never been done on purpose and on large scale like that. now if it ever was to happen, there would be no side effects apart from the eventual toxicity of the aerosols (wich i'm sure would be taken into consideration --' ). If done properly the only effect would be a stop of the global warming due to the change in albedo... Can't think of any side effect

Wow you are fast reader (you read that 98 and 70+ page pfds so fast?) :)

How do you know it wasn't been done?

Side effects are:

no rain for 6-7 weeks on part of that region on map.

Smelly fog for few hours per day in June even at 11am.

8-9C in July in the morning even at 12am for few days.

Very little rain in July, yet lots of storms wind+lightings, but almost no rain from them.

I wonder if now we are going to get any additional dose of radiation?

And how those aerosols are better than those that were destroying ozone layer few years ago?

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Darnok

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http://www.srmgi.org/

The Solar Radiation Management Governance Initiative (SRMGI) is an international NGO-driven project that seeks to promote the good governance of solar radiation management (SRM), one form of geoengineering.

What science man understands and conclude...

Darnok does not belong in the science forums.

Nothing he posts is ever scientific... mostly is conspiracy and/or pseudoscience

Really :mad:

I wonder what are other forms of geoengineering?

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KerikBalm

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Lets see, there's a heat wave, so you conclude that various proposals to *cool* the planet are actually being implemented in secret....

Yes... thats very scientific of you.

Isn't there some other sub-forum you can lurk in?

How about Eve... perhaps you want to talk about landing on and returning from Eve?

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Darnok

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Lets see, there's a heat wave, so you conclude that various proposals to *cool* the planet are actually being implemented in secret....

Yes... thats very scientific of you.

Isn't there some other sub-forum you can lurk in?

How about Eve... perhaps you want to talk about landing on and returning from Eve?

Not in secret, if you have so many official documents and from many organizations?! Did you even read any of those links?

SRM IS OFFICIAL, there is no secret conspiracy behind this, if you were unaware of geoengineering doesn't mean it is secret.

If you generate artificial clouds to reflect radiation it is getting cooler in region and once experiment is done nature will try to balance things and we will see heat wave?

If you want to give me good advices do it on PM and don't go personal just to break threads you disagree with.

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Humidity certainly is a factor, though it appears to be more complex than just those two variables. Maybe air pressure, elevation or a complex interaction of factors.

Right. Other than humidity, atmospheric pressure matters. On high-altitude locations such as mountain tops, water boils at less than 100 degrees Celsius, since less energy is needed to evaporate. In outer space, outside a spacecraft's hull, liquid water will boil at almost any temperature, since atmospheric pressure is practically nil.

The human body sweating mechanism is essentially a total-loss evaporative cooling system. Anything that alters energy needed to evaporate water will affect cooling efficiency.

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Majorjim!

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I mean why this summer is so hot, and previous summer also.

Is over 34 C i'm almost dying :( I wonder how much more those heat ways would last?

Yeah I saw how warm it is in Poland this year. It's ok here in London, just very muggy and overcast.

Hottest year on record, this is it folks the beginning of the end.

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KerikBalm

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Not in secret, if you have so many official documents and from many organizations?! Did you even read any of those links?

All of it is hypothetical plans, no actual implementation.

SRM IS OFFICIAL, there is no secret conspiracy behind this, if you were unaware of geoengineering doesn't mean it is secret.

There is no official active SRM program. You can't just say stuff and make it true. Nor can you simply accuse me of ignorance to justify yours.

If you generate artificial clouds to reflect radiation it is getting cooler in region and once experiment is done nature will try to balance things and we will see heat wave?

Unsupported and illogical assertion.

don't go personal just to break threads you disagree with.

The only one breaking threads is you by injecting pseudo/anti-science **** into them.

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Darnok

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All of it is hypothetical plans, no actual implementation.

You learned about SRM 3 hours ago and now you pretend to know such things, I wish I could learn about things as fast as you do.

Check few more links, there is lots of studies about this

http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/what-is-geoengineering/what-is-geoengineering/?

"9. D. W. Keith and H. Dowlatabadi. (1992). A Serious Look at Geoengineering. Eos, Transactions American Geophysical Union, 73: 289-293. "

http://www.keith.seas.harvard.edu/srm-papers/

There is no official active SRM program. You can't just say stuff and make it true. Nor can you simply accuse me of ignorance to justify yours.

How do you know this? It is too early to say this, there are thousands of people who saw those clouds from ground, soon we will have some reports and studies online.

How do you explain unnatural formations of clouds, square or line patterns of clouds few days in a row?

Unsupported and illogical assertion.

Read some links I've posted, if you create artificial clouds

Potential SRM approaches that have been suggested include the deliberate introduction of sulfate aerosols into the stratosphere (e.g., by injection of sulfur dioxide), the enhancement of cloud reflectivity through increasing the number of water droplets in clouds (e.g., by using a fine seawater spray)

then few days later, after experiment is done, nature will try to balance weather.

My statement is logical, because if clouds reflects radiation/heat it is getting cooler in picked region and after clouds are gone...

we have super fast changing weather and lots amount of heat and wind over artificially cooled region!

The only one breaking threads is you by injecting pseudo/anti-science **** into them.

Using scientific links from Oxford for example. You should notice few people (http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/people/who-are-we/) in there... they are doing pseudo-science :)

You call pseudo-science every new branch of science you learn about?

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KerikBalm

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You learned about SRM 3 hours ago

False

How do you know this? It is too early to say this, there are thousands of people who saw those clouds from ground, soon we will have some reports and studies online.

[sarcasm]Ooohhh people saw clouds!!!!!

That proves there is an active and intentional climate engineering program[/sarcasm]

How do you explain unnatural formations of clouds, square or line patterns of clouds few days in a row?

Contrails from airplanes... or are you going to claim they were making this effort during WW2 during the biggest and most imporant battles... because there's a lot of pictures of contrails from WW2.

if you create artificial clouds then few days later, after experiment is done, nature will try to balance weather.

BS anthromoprhization of neature.

My statement is logical, because if clouds reflects radiation/heat it is getting cooler in picked region and after clouds are gone...

we have super fast changing weather and lots amount of heat and wind over artificially cooled region!

That makes no sense. You can't just take something illogical, and make it logical by putting the phrase "My statement is logical, because" in front of it.

Using scientific links from Oxford for example. You should notice few people (http://www.geoengineering.ox.ac.uk/people/who-are-we/) in there... they are doing pseudo-science :)

From the website:

"The Oxford Geoengineering Programme seeks to engage with society about the issues associated with geoengineering and conduct research into some of the proposed techniques. The programme does not advocate implementing geoengineering, but it does advocate conducting research into the social, ethical and technical aspects of geoengineering."

This is just a group of people theorizing what could be done...

You have failed to provide any evidence of an actual program in the process of deliberate geoengineering.

You call pseudo-science every new branch of science you learn about?

You are really a peice of ****, going ad hominem and saying I don't know about things that you have so clearly demonstrated you do not know anything about. You can't even read your own links and then accuse others of ignorance.

Considering the level of moderation on this forum, and the rules against conspiracy theories and the like, I really can't understand why you haven't been banned yet.

BTW, thats engineering, not science.

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