Is playing KSP cheating?

[Robotengineer]

Do you feel cheaty playing KSP?

I kind of do, I mean, if you really want to have a real space program, you should just go out and start one right? Plus the system is so small, like, the ∆V requirements are less than half what they are IRL, so that must be cheating. Then there are the engines, which are cheating because they use this LiquidFuel and Oxidizer stuff, which isn't really real, so that has to be cheating. Then there are reaction wheels, which are just plain cheating.

So isn't the whole game a cheat? Sure, you may not have the capital to start your own space program but that's no excuse for not doing a bottle rocket or something.

/sarcasm

[pxi]

I see what you did there.

[Pecan]

Most people cheat in real life*. Therefore cheating is accurate.

[* on an amateur basis, viz speeding, adultery, etc. (common misdemeanors) or professionally, as politicians, lawyers or accountants (who specifically 'game' the system). Don't even mention sports!]

[AaronLS]

I used to leave a stick on one bittle rocket.and tape just the heads of others to it so it would have a higher TWR (although I didn't know there was a term for it).

The never all fired at once so it would do this quick spshh spshh spshhh as each kicked in and it accelerated faster.

Sometimes the first would fire and it would slowly push itself out of the bottle and tip over before the other "stages" kicked in and it'd shoot horizontally.

[Robotengineer]

I forgot to mention reverting. :facepalm: Reverting is cheating, so is qucksave/quickload.

[linuxgurugamer]

From that point of view, all games are "cheating"

First you need to define what cheating is. The popular definition is:

"act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination."

See the last words "especially in a game". So if you are playing by the rules of the game (and make no mistake, KSP is a game), then you aren't cheating

[Randazzo]

I repeatedly "Revert to launch" every morning in fifteen minute intervals. The only problem is that the rest of the worlds timer doesn't seem to reset with me.

[TimePeriod]

Well, to cheat, you would have a set of rules imposed onto you and enforced by a superior power.

Since SQUAD has yet to declare any official rules, there is no cheats to speak off.

[Starwhip]

Of course! Everyone here is a bunch of dirty cheaters.

Now, Elon Musk here, he's da real MVP.

[Kerbart]

Now, Elon Musk here, he's da real MVP.

Yeah but dude's not getting anywhere until he adapts the MOAR STRUTS attitude.

[BlueCanary]

Do you feel cheaty playing KSP?

I kind of do, I mean, if you really want to have a real space program, you should just go out and start one right? Plus the system is so small, like, the ∆V requirements are less than half what they are IRL, so that must be cheating. Then there are the engines, which are cheating because they use this LiquidFuel and Oxidizer stuff, which isn't really real, so that has to be cheating. Then there are reaction wheels, which are just plain cheating.

So isn't the whole game a cheat? Sure, you may not have the capital to start your own space program but that's no excuse for not doing a bottle rocket or something.

/sarcasm

Knew something was going to happen when stuff started going bad in the original thread, but wasn't expecting this

Just to point out, in that thread I didn't really mean "cheating" as such, but "do you find it more rewarding to find a more realistic solution than to use reaction wheels", and I wasn't trying to look/feel better than anyone else, just to see what other people thought. I can see the problem people had with the thread though.

[MrWolf83]

It's a GAME!!!

[BlueCanary]

For the people taking this thread seriously, it's a parody type thing of those "is (x) cheating" threads, the most recent of which was a thread I started asking if people found reaction wheels on rovers and vtols "cheaty", not realising at the time that "cheaty" was not the best a really really bad way of putting it, and not really what I meant at all.

Edited July 21, 2015 by BlueCanary

[regex]

Do you feel cheaty playing KSP?

Only if I use MechJeb.

[Canopus]

Map View is cheating.

[Robotengineer]

Knew something was going to happen when stuff started going bad in the original thread, but wasn't expecting this

Just to point out, in that thread I didn't really mean "cheating" as such, but "do you find it more rewarding to find a more realistic solution than to use reaction wheels", and I wasn't trying to look/feel better than anyone else, just to see what other people thought. I can see the problem people had with the thread though.

This thread wasn't in response to your thread primarily, but rather to the general 'Is [some feature, mod, etc.] cheating?' vibe. There seems to be a thread like that floating around almost always.

[micha]

This thread wasn't in response to your thread primarily, but rather to the general 'Is [some feature, mod, etc.] cheating?' vibe. There seems to be a thread like that floating around almost always.

*pokes fire with a stick of dynamite* Mechjeb anyone? *runs and hides*

[Sharpy]

No MJ. That's cheating on cheating.

I wonder if anyone played a challenge of "No Time Warp, ever."

That would be interesting, to set your alarm clock to 3AM because your craft returning from Minmus is about to enter the atmosphere, or waiting for a month for a transfer window.

Edited July 21, 2015 by Sharpy

[percyPrune]

Of course it's cheating! You should be making rockets out of toilet roll tubes and washing up liquid bottles and USING YOUR IMAGINATION!

Kids today... spoon fed... in my day...

[MrWolf83]

Sharpy, if i tried that, my machine would be dead waiting that long for maneuvers, rendezvous, etc...

[katateochi]

unless you cover your screen with a towel and dock completely blind (using only the force) while sitting in a industrial tumble dryer (to simulate disorientation) then yes, it's totally cheating. Why, how do you guys play?

[Yellowburn10]

To me, it's only cheating if you're breaking the laws of physics.

[mikegarrison]

I hear that some hackers have gotten a list of everyone who plays KSP and are threatening to expose our cheating ways.

[Robotengineer]

To me, it's only cheating if you're breaking the laws of physics.

By playing stock, you are breaking the laws of physics. Realism Overhaul on the other hand, is the least cheaty way to cheat.

[Johnny Wishbone]

I hear that some hackers have gotten a list of everyone who plays KSP and are threatening to expose our cheating ways.

Does that mean version 1.1 will come with a mandatory Punkbuster install?

*shudder*