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[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.13.0 "Забытый" 13/Aug/2023)


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14 minutes ago, MrMeeb said:

I can do that! :D Can you PM me some craft files for them or something? I don't wanna try myself and get it wrong :c

Thanks ! It's quite simple ! for the Gemini cargo just change the pod and then put the normal Gemini sm, and for the agena just put the cargo bay after the docking-port :P But as Cobalt said, it's still needs some textures adjustments (but if you want you still cand do it !)

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Just now, DiscoSlelge said:

Thanks ! It's quite simple ! for the Gemini cargo just change the pod and then put the normal Gemini csm, and for the agena just put the cargo bay after the docking-port :P But as Cobalt said, it's still needs some textures adjustments (but if you want you still cand do it !)

I'll give it a shot, and check with you guys if it's right, but I'll take them again when the textures have been done too :) 

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EDIT: (Yes it's up here above the images) To give something of a status update, my current biggest concern is finishing the Saturn C-1 parts. Now that the H-1 is mostly done, I need to add the last couple parts (such as a 2.5m fairing base, possibly the 3.125m fairing base instead of including that in Barbarian), finish the textures, poop out some normal maps, and finish the new RL-10. After that I'll try and finish the MOS + Gemini parts. Probe stuff, though progress was made, is a relatively low priority so that stuff won't come out for a while yet still. There isn't half finished probe stuff in the mod right now in the same way there's half finished Saturn and MOS stuff. @Jso I'm not 100% sure what your projects are for this update but I believe we are also going to try and balance the science stuff. I haven't decided if I want to try and include the Centaur revamp in this update. 

1 hour ago, akron said:

Sure, there's also that other project which I've slacked on... but I do have to write ScienceDefs for the rest of my new experiments so I can add a few entries for BDB as well.

Oh yeah, finishing that would be cool too. 

28 minutes ago, MrMeeb said:

I can do that! :D Can you PM me some craft files for them or something? I don't wanna try myself and get it wrong :c

I'm not comfortable calling them done yet - there might be some more parts that get wiggled in there. The Cargo Agena, for example, might require solar panels or something. I wasn't particularly happy with the appearance of the agena cargo module so I might remake it. More Cygnus-y maybe, since all the vehicles for MOS took inspiration from ISS resupply vehicles in some way.

Also, @Foxxonius Augustus, when he designed the Cargo Gemini variant for me (he drew it and I made it), left a provision for it to be upgraded from the Gemini docking system (with the simple mechanical docking to something like a 0.9375m APAS, or possibly the Apollo docking module (which I believe will be 0.625m in BDB - that thing is tiny!). I would LOVE to see what the Cargo Gemini and Cargo Agena would look like with those parts on. I am not sure which mod has a good APAS in that scale, but someone could probably use FASA's Apollo docking parts for the second option. As for their assembly, I went back and grabbed two old albums. The first one is newer, and I'd defer to that one for how to assemble the OVs. Basically the assembly for the normal / mk1 versions with the Gemini docking parts, you have either the Augustus CM or the Agena cargo module, then the flat-ish 0.9375m>0.625m adapter, then the Leo Docking Mechanism, then use the Belle nose cone with the hidden node to cover it up smooth as silk.

 

 

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46 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

I'm not comfortable calling them done yet

Sure, no problem. I'll lurk around and wait :) 

46 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

0.9375m APAS

Contares has one at 0.625, and Tantares and Cx Aerospace (my fav, because of the extendable buffer and tasteful greeble) have one at 0.9375 :) 

Huh, the photos of the Tantares and Cx ones aren't showing n the album. If you go to the album on Imgur, they're there though Fixed!

46 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

possibly the Apollo docking module

It has a red nose! :D 

 

 

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@MrMeeb interesting, thanks! I was wondering what they would look like. I suppose that the one I'd actually 'support' would be the BDB Apollo docking mechanism, once that's in. That still fits under the nose cone if you tweak its position. I wonder if you could justify including the reentry RCS - there wouldn't be space for the tunnel through the center of it.

Considering it was meant to give the architecture some down-mass capability, how do parachutes fit in? There's no space available vertically when using the Gemini docking mechanism, so they'd have to be radial ones on the front/top face of the adapter or something.

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1 minute ago, CobaltWolf said:

@MrMeeb interesting, thanks! I was wondering what they would look like. I suppose that the one I'd actually 'support' would be the BDB Apollo docking mechanism, once that's in. That still fits under the nose cone if you tweak its position. I wonder if you could justify including the reentry RCS - there wouldn't be space for the tunnel through the center of it.

Considering it was meant to give the architecture some down-mass capability, how do parachutes fit in? There's no space available vertically when using the Gemini docking mechanism, so they'd have to be radial ones on the front/top face of the adapter or something.

I only used that reentry RCS part to see what the part would look like extended away a bit. For the reason you said, I don't think actual RCS systems could fit with a tunnel. For parachutes, maybe a version of that adapter with them built in could be something to consider? 

Also, I forgot to mention...is the offset on the Leo-M-2TT thruster meant to be there? Top one is aligned with gizmos, bottom is just placed:

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6 minutes ago, MrMeeb said:

Also, I forgot to mention...is the offset on the Leo-M-2TT thruster meant to be there? Top one is aligned with gizmos, bottom is just placed:

Yup! The lateral translation thruster is aligned with the CoM, while the reverse thruster doesn't have to because it's balanced. That's how the real Gemini RCS was set up. :) 

EDIT: Forgot to respond to your other question. I could possibly make an adapter with the parachutes, but it would probably be easier to just let the player attach radial ones as needed.

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16 hours ago, CobaltWolf said:

I currently have no plans to do IVAs. They are time consuming and I'd rather devote time to more significant things.

All of my hopes and dreams of Doing an All-IVA historical playthrough... It hurts... ;.;

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3 minutes ago, Andem said:

All of my hopes and dreams of Doing an All-IVA historical playthrough... It hurts... ;.;

@CobaltWolf has said, he'll do IVAs WHEN someone steps up to do them. I offered $100 JUST for the LEM/CSM/Skylab and he still said no. :(

EDIT: @CobaltWolf: You took the words out of my mouth

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10 minutes ago, davidy12 said:

@CobaltWolf has said, he'll do IVAs WHEN someone steps up to do them. I offered $100 JUST for the LEM/CSM/Skylab and he still said no. :(

EDIT: @CobaltWolf: You took the words out of my mouth

I'd have to see cash money in my Paypal and then I'd do it :P Send it and they will be done promptly after the exteriors.

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21 minutes ago, CobaltWolf said:

I'd have to see cash money in my Paypal and then I'd do it :P Send it and they will be done promptly after the exteriors.

If so, DEAL. :D

When you get to the finished CSM and Saturn V. Then I'll send it in :wink:

@CobaltWolfOR at best at the end of next month. 

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2 minutes ago, FlyMeToTheMinmus said:

well, see you next year then 

It likely won't interfere with BDB time too too much actually. Usually I only boot up other games from like 9 to midnight, and unless I'm streaming I usually don't get much done after 9 anyways. Seeing as I'm doing freelance work for the next couple nights anyways...

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Ayyyye!!!!!!!111!!1! More Progress on X-20. I present my first remodel of it and it's new windows. I was drawn between whether or not to have curved windows, and I think I'll stick with the straight windows for now, but who knows. I'd like some opinions about my X-20 project and some comments on the windows. I have to go to Chicago this weekend, so I wont be doing any extra modeling till after Monday-Tuesday.  Next objective, a start model for the wings!

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