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[1.12.5] Bluedog Design Bureau - Stockalike Saturn, Apollo, and more! (v1.14.0 "металл" 30/Sep/2024)


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4 hours ago, kerbal fella said:

Hey hey me again, are there any tech tree mods that work with bdb?:kiss:

Skyhawk Science System is a tech tree designed for BDB, but has been abandoned

Other than that, there's also Gradual Progression Tech Tree which is a more modern version of SSS.

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23 hours ago, kerbal fella said:

Hey hey me again, are there any tech tree mods that work with bdb?:kiss:


It has already been mentioned but I have been playing with this, and other than some niggling issues I really like it for BDB.   The issues are how the Corona parts get separated etc...

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SATURN IB

An evolutionary step up from the original Saturn I, the Saturn IB was the ultimate expression of Werner Von Braun's cluster tank/cluster engine concept. What started out as an expedient to get a large multi-engine heavy lift rocket flying as soon as possible became a handy and advanced rocket by the time it stopped flying in the early 1970's. Below are the various forms of this rocket, with real and some never flown payloads.

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SA-201 and 202 were early unmanned tests of the Apollo CSM. SA-203 tested modifications to the S-IVB second stage so that it could be restarted in flight as the third stage of the Saturn V. SA-204 flew as Apollo 5 and was the first test of the Lunar Module in Earth orbit. It was hard to get the SA-203 shroud to just the right shape. This was as close as I could get. A variant of the Skylab SAF shroud would be nice for this flight.

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Apollo 7 was the first manned Apollo mission and the last to fly from LC-34. After that, operations moved to LC-39 for the Skylab and ASTP flights. The H-1 engines on the first stage received upgrades and all of the tanks were painted white. Saturn IB Centaur was a great concept that never came to pass. It could have become NASA's workhorse launcher for deep space missions, with the large shroud that surrounded the Centaur enabling a very capable spacecraft.

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Finally, two great what-ifs for Saturn IB use that never came to pass. MORL was an early space station concept that never got beyond the concept stage.  But, with just a little more funding and will the AAP-2 Wet Workshop could have flown in 1969 hosting several crews. It would have had a LM-based ATM that would have been launched separately on a vehicle very similar to Apollo 5.

Saturn IB was at the limit of its performance with an Apollo CSM on top. Further upgrades to the H-1 (H-2!) would be needed along with upgrading the S-IVB to a J-2S. All things considered, this engineering compromise gave the U.S. a capable manned launcher with an iconic and unique look.

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1 hour ago, DaveyJ576 said:

SATURN IB

 

NICE WORK!  

Of course part of the fun in this is the rocket serial numbers were SA-x, or SA-XXX  (SA-1 to SA-5 were the "pre production" Blk I Saturns... SA-5 was upgraded to near Blk II standards during construction and ended up being the pathfinder for the Saturn I Blk 2 production batch (so depending on source SA-5 is listed as Blk I or Blk II because it was both!)

SA-1xx were the Saturn I Blk II as ordered craft.

 

SA-2xx were the Saturn IB variants.

And of course the missions were coded...

AS-xxx and almost BUT NOT ALWAYS matched the First Stage serial number  (EG SA-201 would fly as AS-201)   Only the first 5 test launches kept their serial number as the mission number (SA-1 to SA-5 were both first stage serial numbers and mission numbers said stages launched on)

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, Pappystein said:

NICE WORK!  

Of course part of the fun in this is the rocket serial numbers were SA-x, or SA-XXX  (SA-1 to SA-5 were the "pre production" Blk I Saturns... SA-5 was upgraded to near Blk II standards during construction and ended up being the pathfinder for the Saturn I Blk 2 production batch (so depending on source SA-5 is listed as Blk I or Blk II because it was both!)

SA-1xx were the Saturn I Blk II as ordered craft.

 

SA-2xx were the Saturn IB variants.

And of course the missions were coded...

AS-xxx and almost BUT NOT ALWAYS matched the First Stage serial number  (EG SA-201 would fly as AS-201)   Only the first 5 test launches kept their serial number as the mission number (SA-1 to SA-5 were both first stage serial numbers and mission numbers said stages launched on)

 

 

 

Yeah I gooned up the AS vs SA numbering system. Apparently there was some thought to renaming 201, 202, and 203 to Apollo 1, 2, and 3, but that idea was quickly abandoned due to possible confusion with the ill-fated Apollo 1. The as-planned system pre-fire would have had Apollo 2 as a repeat of Apollo 1. It was cancelled as redundant. Apollo 3 was to have been a dual launch flight (3A and 3B ?) with a Saturn IB/CSM on one flight and a Saturn IB/LM on the second, with rendezvous, docking, and manned LM tests. Post-fire that mission became the single launch Saturn V/Apollo 9. 

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