How do you enter the MK1 Crew Cabin after exiting it?

[Carionis]

This seems bugged to me.

The Mk1 Crew Cabin has its hatch right were its attachment point is. I'm kind of sick of the engineer tab complaining that "hatch is obstructed".

If I "EVA" a kerbal from the Crew Cabin with both sides attached to something, he slips through. But it's of course impossible to get him or her back in.

Any solutions?

This Crew Cabin would be my favourite new part so far, but this is really bugging me.

[Venusgate]

I think it's meanto to be paired with either a docking port or a command module.

having to do the crew shuffle to get in and out through the command pod or cokcpit is a little tiresome, but considering how much spacer there isn't, it feels very realistic to me.

[Carionis]

Yeah, did the "crew shuffle" on rescue mission just now.

But the engineering tab still complains, even if it is connected to a command pod.

[cantab]

Being able to EVA out through a blocked hatch, and not get back in through the same hatch, is a pretty clear-cut bug I feel, and maybe should be reported as such.

[Brainlord Mesomorph]

I can see why they did that, the answer is one more new part:

The Mk1 Inline Airlock.

A parallel to the inline docking port, but its a hatch!

[sal_vager]

You can enter the Mk1 crew cabin via the end hatches, unfortunately this does require that one end is unobstructed...

Bob looks really board.

[Pthigrivi]

Haha I hadn't noticed this yet. It should probably have a hatch on the roof.

[Snark]

Haha I hadn't noticed this yet. It should probably have a hatch on the roof.

I actually kinda like that it doesn't. The Mk1 is a godsend and was sorely needed, and I like that it's available fairly low in the tech tree. But given how much opportunity it opens up, I kinda like that it comes with some awkward constraints that have to be designed around.

Therefore, I'm happy that it doesn't let you enter when the ends are blocked. ...but if it lets you exit, that seems like a bug.

[Alshain]

I actually kinda like that it doesn't. The Mk1 is a godsend and was sorely needed, and I like that it's available fairly low in the tech tree. But given how much opportunity it opens up, I kinda like that it comes with some awkward constraints that have to be designed around.

Therefore, I'm happy that it doesn't let you enter when the ends are blocked. ...but if it lets you exit, that seems like a bug.

It's not an awkward constraint, it's just annoying. It doesn't prevent you from using it, you can still do the crew transfer shuffle, it just irritates you. Something for the sake of irritating the user is a bad game mechanic. It's a bug, it has to be.

[Red Iron Crown]

I was really hoping this would make a good lander can that fits in a Mk2 cargo bay, but the lack of EVA points makes it quite difficult to use as such.

[mikegarrison]

This would be pretty well-resolved if the rules for hatches were changed so that hatches work for all connected spaces. In other words, if you have a command pod with a hatch attached to a Mk1 crew cabin, you should be able to enter the crew cabin directly through the command pod hatch.

[Vorg]

This would be pretty well-resolved if the rules for hatches were changed so that hatches work for all connected spaces. In other words, if you have a command pod with a hatch attached to a Mk1 crew cabin, you should be able to enter the crew cabin directly through the command pod hatch.

Yea, and if on entering, the command pod was full, it would just auto move the incoming kerbal to the first module with an open seat.

[Carionis]

Yeah, auto-transfer would be my preferred solution to this as well.

[fourfa]

This needs a stock bug fix. Klaw?

[nothingSpecial]

Yes for auto-transfer to any place in the ship, yes to EVA from any hatch in the ship is native part hatches are obstructed, no to add any door to the art itself. Guys, come one, they don't have helmets on, that's just plain dangerous to let them have hacth there.

[Alshain]

This would be pretty well-resolved if the rules for hatches were changed so that hatches work for all connected spaces. In other words, if you have a command pod with a hatch attached to a Mk1 crew cabin, you should be able to enter the crew cabin directly through the command pod hatch.

That is actually an amazing idea. I mean, on a passenger airline, you don't board the plane from the middle.

[Pecan]

That is actually an amazing idea. I mean, on a passenger airline, you don't board the plane from the middle.

I understand some poor people do turn right after boarding, however.

[Alshain]

I understand some poor people do turn right after boarding, however.

Not sure I follow? Do you keep going straight? Every plane I've been on doesn't have much room to go in that direction.

[numerobis]

That is actually an amazing idea. I mean, on a passenger airline, you don't board the plane from the middle.

Ahem:

https://athleticsinjapanmlb.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/7boarding.jpg

With a jetway you board from the front, because you don't want to be playing with jetways close to wings. Before jetways, it was common to walk up to several doors at once -- the crew would triage you ahead of time. I still see the bus-to-the-stairs method once in a blue moon.

Oh, but now searching for "a380 boarding" I see that airports that take that airplane *do* muck around with extra jetways:

Edited November 15, 2015 by numerobis

[Pecan]

Not sure I follow? Do you keep going straight? Every plane I've been on doesn't have much room to go in that direction.

Boarding is normally from the left, meaning that the cockpit, first and business classes - at the front - are usually to the left. Stowage-class turns right and squats in the back, or whatever that pen is called.

[Red Iron Crown]

Boarding is normally from the left, meaning that the cockpit, first and business classes - at the front - are usually to the left. Stowage-class turns right and squats in the back, or whatever that pen is called.

Every passenger jet I've flown on has the door immediately aft of the cockpit, everyone but flight crew turns right.

[Alshain]

Ahem:

https://athleticsinjapanmlb.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/7boarding.jpg

With a jetway you board from the front, because you don't want to be playing with jetways close to wings. Before jetways, it was common to walk up to several doors at once -- the crew would triage you ahead of time. I still see the bus-to-the-stairs method once in a blue moon.

Oh, but now searching for "a380 boarding" I see that airports that take that airplane *do* muck around with extra jetways:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/11/20/travel/1120_intransit_airbus/blogSpan.jpg

That is rare. The majority of planes don't do that, only the huge ones. Certainly not the ones the Mk1 cockpit is designed after. I'm pretty sure most, if not all, the Leerjets, Cessnas (Citation), Embraers, and any other small to mid sized passenger plane board behind the cockpit.

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Boarding is normally from the left, meaning that the cockpit, first and business classes - at the front - are usually to the left. Stowage-class turns right and squats in the back, or whatever that pen is called.

Well I haven't flown on any really large planes, 747 is as big as I've been on, but every one boarded right behind the cockpit and you have to walk through First Class to get to coach.

Edited November 15, 2015 by Alshain

[problemecium]

...I guess I've made the right call not using this part so far xD
I haven't been avoiding it, but so far I've not had any need for it, which I suppose is fortunate. Here's hoping 1.1 (or perhaps hotfix 1.0.5.1 or 1.0.6 or whatever) addresses it.