Umlüx Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 3 hours ago, sal_vager said: Moved to the Lounge as KerbalStuff is a 3rd party site unaffiliated with Squad. "The Lounge Off-duty chatter on any topic except KSP" so, KerbalStuff didn't even have anything to do with KSP in your eyes? way to devaluate someones hard work... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Funny thing about protecting a trademark, you have to show a history of pursuing it. If you have a a history of ignoring encroachment on the trademark then courts will not take claims seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Iron Crown said: Funny thing about protecting a trademark, you have to show a history of pursuing it. If you have a a history of ignoring encroachment on the trademark then courts will not take claims seriously. End users, by and large, don't give a toss about the technical stuff behind these legalities. Actions speak louder than words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boborene Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Your hate is wrong pointed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 7 minutes ago, boborene said: Your hate is wrong pointed... What hate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cantab Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: Funny thing about protecting a trademark, you have to show a history of pursuing it. If you have a a history of ignoring encroachment on the trademark then courts will not take claims seriously. Quoted for truth. The law basically forces big companies to be *expletives* towards their fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, BloodDusk said: Actions speak louder than words. Indeed they do. The notable action here was taking down KerbalStuff without warning and without attempting (AFAIK) to find someone to take it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Red Iron Crown said: Indeed they do. The notable action here was taking down KerbalStuff without warning and without attempting (AFAIK) to find someone to take it over. Two wrongs don't really make a right here. So, diverting the wrong to a different target doesn't really make the notable marketing company less wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 While it's always a terrible shame to see fan sites close down for any reason, one must remember that SirCmpwn felt he had to make this decision. Any site, especially a site that draws many visits and has to host user submitted content, will cost money to run. As Sircmpwn says, he was largely rewarded for his efforts with complaints from users of his site, rather than praise he deserved. I also used KerbalStuff when I needed a mod, and I donated to support modders from time to time, but I regret that I never found the time to tell SirCmpwn that I appreciated his efforts. But I understand how much work goes into something like this, and on the occasions when the site was slow or unavailable I knew that all I had to do was wait for Sircmpwn to fix it when he had time. Thank you for your efforts over the years SirCmpwn, and good luck to you for the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 23 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: Funny thing about protecting a trademark, you have to show a history of pursuing it. If you have a a history of ignoring encroachment on the trademark then courts will not take claims seriously. But it can be protected by granting a license to use it, without being too overbearing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas2342 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 You know what they say, regret is in the end..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said: But it can be protected by granting a license to use it, without being too overbearing Which is exactly what happened, the legal issues alluded to happened shortly after KS started. Let me make this clear for those operating under this misconception: Squad did not force SirCmpwn to take down KerbalStuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: Which is exactly what happened, the legal issues alluded to happened shortly after KS started. Let me make this clear for those operating under this misconception: Squad did not force SirCmpwn to take down KerbalStuff. No one is saying that. But, I wonder how much of a threat to intellectual property a site that generated no revenue and was maintained out of a single individual's pockets represent in practice, especially considering the whole free marketing aspect of it, considering how it was preferred over the official solution. Edited February 15, 2016 by BloodDusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, Red Iron Crown said: Which is exactly what happened, the legal issues alluded to happened shortly after KS started. Let me make this clear for those operating under this misconception: Squad did not force SirCmpwn to take down KerbalStuff. No they didn't. In his words " In fact, for the most part, I just hear complaints " SirCmpwn did a wonderful job on Kerbalstuff. I suspect it was costing him a significant amount of money to maintain. Rather than people being thankful and expressing their appreciation (doesn't have to be mone), it was a thankless job. I've been in the same boat a number of years ago, and as a result, while I maintain that site since the cost is absorbed inside other expenses, it's not getting any attention from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Iron Crown Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, BloodDusk said: No one is saying that. But, I wonder how much of a threat to intellectual property a site that generated no revenue and was maintained out of a single individual's pockets represent in practice, especially considering the whole free marketing aspect of it. 3 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said: No they didn't. In his words " In fact, for the most part, I just hear complaints " SirCmpwn did a wonderful job on Kerbalstuff. I suspect it was costing him a significant amount of money to maintain. Rather than people being thankful and expressing their appreciation (doesn't have to be mone), it was a thankless job. I've been in the same boat a number of years ago, and as a result, while I maintain that site since the cost is absorbed inside other expenses, it's not getting any attention from me. Worth pointing out here that SirCmpwn moved KerbalStuff away from the free, enterprise grade hosting offered that a long-time modder was providing when KS started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodDusk Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: Worth pointing out here that SirCmpwn moved KerbalStuff away from the free, enterprise grade hosting offered that a long-time modder was providing when KS started. It's funny to see how the rope always breaks at the wrong end...or should I say, the weak end. But on a second note, I think it would be better for you to consider why that action was taken instead of making broad assertions like that. Well, since @SirCmpwn said it was a thankless job and he heard nothing but complaints...What you know? A threaten to pursue legal action could be interpreted as a complaint too. Edited February 15, 2016 by BloodDusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, Red Iron Crown said: Worth pointing out here that SirCmpwn moved KerbalStuff away from the free, enterprise grade hosting offered that a long-time modder was providing when KS started. Also, I had offered to setup a backup site for him, at my own expense, last summer, which he had declined to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 One of the reoccurring issues on each of these "what happened to Kerbal Stuff" threads is how bad Curse is. Yes, I too, will agree that Curse is bad. This is my biggest complaint about KSP is Curse; I can handle the crashes, the lag time, but trying to use Curse to keep mods updated is like trying to drink a milkshake from a thimble. I'm not trying to be rude or cause any controversy, but there has to be something better than Curse that Squad can use. Heck, at this point, I would even be willing to pay a subscription fee of up to $5.00 per mod, if it means that as the mod is updated it will automatically update my files... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxgurugamer Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, adsii1970 said: One of the reoccurring issues on each of these "what happened to Kerbal Stuff" threads is how bad Curse is. Yes, I too, will agree that Curse is bad. This is my biggest complaint about KSP is Curse; I can handle the crashes, the lag time, but trying to use Curse to keep mods updated is like trying to drink a milkshake from a thimble. I'm not trying to be rude or cause any controversy, but there has to be something better than Curse that Squad can use. Heck, at this point, I would even be willing to pay a subscription fee of up to $5.00 per mod, if it means that as the mod is updated it will automatically update my files... Let's see $5/mod, 200 mods installed, golly gee, $1000 to play a $40 game. Better would be a subscription to a site, of say $5 or so per month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) I'm increasingly starting to miss KerbalStuff Edited February 15, 2016 by kerbiloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sal_vager Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 9 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: I'm increasingly starting to miss KerbalStuff SirCmpwn has made the source available on Github, and the (hopefully most up to date) mods available to download, perhaps if someone else was willing to take this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas2342 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 5 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: I'm increasingly starting to miss KerbalStuff *We're . Don't worry we'll get through this together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 7 minutes ago, linuxgurugamer said: Let's see $5/mod, 200 mods installed, golly gee, $1000 to play a $40 game. Better would be a subscription to a site, of say $5 or so per month Never thought of that. I have 80 mods, so that would be a whopping $400 to play a $12.99 game (<--- bought it on STEAM back when it was .22 and on sale!) I agree, a flat per month subscription fee... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p1t1o Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) 13 minutes ago, adsii1970 said: Heck, at this point, I would even be willing to pay a subscription fee of up to $5.00 per mod, if it means that as the mod is updated it will automatically update my files... Really? And if you want to install 20 mods? Or maybe you want to install 20 but only 13 of them will work together? Are you made of money? Paid-for mods is a whoooole other kettle of fish. **edit** hehehe, ninja'd so many times.... Edited February 15, 2016 by p1t1o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsii1970 Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just now, p1t1o said: Really? And if you want to install 20 mods? Or maybe you want to install 20 but only 13 of them will work together? Are you made of money? Paid-for mods is a whoooole other kettle of fish. You have been Ninja'd. Please see my last post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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