The-Doctor Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 @ShotgunNinja the hydrogen and what not, and all the different chemical processes are interesting, but it's what I've always thought, I've never seen hydrogen or hydrazine as a resource in KSP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyko Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 wow! I've been tracking Kerbalism all year and really excited it's been updated. Will kerbalism work with @Galileo's Galilean Planet Pack? Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapstar Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) On 12/17/2016 at 11:37 AM, N70 said: @ShotgunNinja Just wondering, could you may update UKS-kerbalism patch to the latest kerbalism? The changes to both Kerbalism and UKS are leaving me facedesking... you'll understand them better! UKS seems to be working fine for me. Edited December 20, 2016 by crapstar Herder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlcarneiro Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 @ShotgunNinja, how do we make the new science model compatible with mods like [x] Science! and IndicatorLights? [x] Science! keeps saying there are experiments to be run, while IndicatorLights keeps blinking for the same reason... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crapstar Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) I tried the latest release with UMbM by @Yemo and it is not possible to complete even 1mb of science data transmission during the initial two contracts hence prohibiting you from advancing in the career. Let me know if either of the authors want any more deets. Thanks Edited December 20, 2016 by crapstar typos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kraden Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tyko said: wow! I've been tracking Kerbalism all year and really excited it's been updated. Will kerbalism work with @Galileo's Galilean Planet Pack? Thanks again! I'm running GPP (and I think someone else on this thread, @The-Doctor maybe) and although I haven't been able to download and check this yet, they should work together. To my understanding the planets' radiation belts would need to be configured, but aside from that they should work together. Edited December 20, 2016 by kraden Mis-ping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Doctor Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 39 minutes ago, kraden said: I'm running GPP (and I think someone else on this thread, @The-Doctor maybe) and although I haven't been able to download and check this yet, they should work together. To my understanding the planets' radiation belts would need to be configured, but aside from that they should work together. Indeed, Kerbalism works with Galileos, except the lack of radiation belts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kR105 Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I get a couple of ModuleManager errors with a fresh install of KSP + Kerbalism + SMURFF (Using everything up-to-date). Looking at the logs and .cfg files I can see that it is related to the mass of the EVA kerbal and the mass of MonoPropelant, but I have zero knowledge on ModuleManager and I have no idea how to fix it. I will provide logs if you need them, but it is very straightforward to look at where the error is once you install Kerbalism + SMURFF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAO Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Does anybody use kerbalism with Stock Size Real Solar System or otherwise just RSS? How does it compare to stock KSP functionality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Doctor Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 37 minutes ago, KAO said: Does anybody use kerbalism with Stock Size Real Solar System or otherwise just RSS? How does it compare to stock KSP functionality? I recently installed it with both. It's ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaar Podshipnik Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 I play Kerbalism with Outer Planets Mod. The biggest issue is that there are no stock antennas that can reach to the edge of the system if you enabled the Signal feature. I've made a PR https://github.com/ShotgunNinja/Kerbalism/pull/46 to add Kerbalism support to the super-awesome https://github.com/KSPSnark/JX2Antenna You can also get the Origami antennas, those are really cool as well, and already have Kerbalism support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyko Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Couple of Radiation questions after reading the Wiki Can I turn Radiation off entirely? I see a setting to turn Storms off, but not Radiation In the Wiki under Default Profile it says " Radiation belts will have extremely high levels " and in the Environment section it explains that there are 2 belts (inner and outer) the outer belt encompasses much of planetary surroundings. Does this mean that all of that space encompassed by both the inner and outer belts are saturated with extremely high levels? How does radiation exposure actually work? what are the "safe" levels? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlcarneiro Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 @ShotgunNinja, what advantages does the new science system have over the stock one? 15 hours ago, jlcarneiro said: @ShotgunNinja, how do we make the new science model compatible with mods like [x] Science! and IndicatorLights? [x] Science! keeps saying there are experiments to be run, while IndicatorLights keeps blinking for the same reason... I confess having a few problems with the it: some are shown above, the new one is about stock messages? Are they gone? Sorry if this has been discussed before (it probably has), is it possible to disable it? According to the wiki, I think it's possible. But at what cost? What will be missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epiphanic Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) @jlcarneiro You can disable Kerbalism's science module by editing the settings.cfg file (set "science = false"). This will bring back the stock messages and allow [x] Science! and IndicatorLights to work as expected. This should result in using the stock science system rather than Kerbalism's vision for science. As I understand it, since Kerbalism's science module uses a new storage container (the hard drive) to store experimental data, mods like [x] Science! and IndicatorLights are "looking" in the wrong place so they don't get triggered. Edited December 20, 2016 by Epiphanic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJesuit Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, jlcarneiro said: @ShotgunNinja, what advantages does the new science system have over the stock one? I confess having a few problems with the it: some are shown above, the new one is about stock messages? Are they gone? Sorry if this has been discussed before (it probably has), is it possible to disable it? According to the wiki, I think it's possible. But at what cost? What will be missing? To be fair I'm not a big fan of the new science system, apart from the already worn rejig of single science collection and reduced grind as it makes probes more worthwhile IMHO. And the transmission rate I couldn't cope with in early career. I also personally can't see the point of the new signal mechanics. I may try with these both in my next major career when I re-employ EPL and KCT. If I have to wait to build ships o may as well wait for the science to arrive too. However I love the radiation issues, the look of the centifuge habitat. I like the background processing and the way we can monitor craft. I'm going to try my hand (post christmas) at tweaking the life support closer to IFI LS simplisity. I altered the science tweak file to remove the FOR or NEEDS kerbalism and then changed the Kerbalism settings.cfg to no Science and Signal. That keeps the experiment changes in game. This covers most of my current requirements. Peace. Edited December 20, 2016 by theJesuit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlcarneiro Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, theJesuit said: To be fair I'm not a big fan of the new science system, apart from the already worn rejig of single science collection and reduced grind as it makes probes more worthwhile IMHO. And the transmission rate I couldn't cope with in early career. I also personally can't see the point of the new signal mechanics. I may try with these both in my next major career when I re-employ EPL and KCT. If I have to wait to build ships o may as well wait for the science to arrive too. However I love the radiation issues, the look of the centifuge habitat. I like the background processing and the way we can monitor craft. I'm going to try my hand (post christmas) at tweaking the life support closer to IFI LS simplisity. I altered the science tweak file to remove the FOR or NEEDS kerbalism and then changed the Kerbalism settings.cfg to no Science and Signal. That keeps the experiment changes in game. This covers most of my current requirements. Peace. I'm not 100% site I understood what you meant with "To be fair I'm not a big fan of the new science system, apart from the already worn rejig of single science collection and reduced grind as it makes probes more worthwhile IMHO."... Overall, I think I agree with you. Can you please elaborate your last paragraph a bit? Edited December 20, 2016 by jlcarneiro Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJesuit Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, jlcarneiro said: I'm not 100% site I understood what you meant with "To be fair I'm not a big fan of the new science system, apart from the already worn rejig of single science collection and reduced grind as it makes probes more worthwhile IMHO."... Overall, I think I agree with you. Can you please elaborate your last paragraph a bit? Kerbalism alters the science collected from experiments, meaning you only need to do the experiment once. Also, experiments such as reading temperature, pressure etc can e transmitted for full value but science jr. and goo need to be collected and returned to Kerbin. Kerbalism has been wearing this mechanic for a while now, but in hindsight my phrasing of it is not clear. This is awesome and I love it. I send probes to do science before I send kerbals. If you simply disable the science by science=false the signal system in the same way in Kerbalism's settings.cfg, then the stock experiments will revert to their normal behaviour. I think i ve mashed up the 1.1.4 Kerbalism with the 1.1.5 currently in my head with the patches folder now that i've looked back at it! So along with the settings.cfg, but what I did was remove from the System/Science.cfg all the references to NEEDS[FeatureScience] and FOR[Kerbalism] and all the pieces of the Kerbalism science mechanic that I didn't' want, which gives me pretty much what I want! I hope this clears it up, I've rewritten this thrice now! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Doctor Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 @ShotgunNinja I found a bug. I wish I could screenshot it. Basically, it's this, with remotetech, but I'm unsure if with commnet it's also like this, the non-omni antennae, when activated, show a ghosted line, a grey line, aimed at the planet, the standard line aimed at the planet by Kerbalism's signal except it's greyed out, when deactivated the line showing the connection fades. P.s, LOVE the new science, but, is there a way you could make it optional to still get science reports? Also, could you make there show dots heading on the connection line for remotetech as you showed it for the standard signal a couple of pages back? Btw, the chemical plants look like it'll be interesting for me to set up a base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlcarneiro Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Thanks, @theJesuit! 17 hours ago, theJesuit said: [...] If you simply disable the science by science=false the signal system in the same way in Kerbalism's settings.cfg, then the stock experiments will revert to their normal behaviour. I think i ve mashed up the 1.1.4 Kerbalism with the 1.1.5 currently in my head with the patches folder now that i've looked back at it! So along with the settings.cfg, but what I did was remove from the System/Science.cfg all the references to NEEDS[FeatureScience] and FOR[Kerbalism] and all the pieces of the Kerbalism science mechanic that I didn't' want, which gives me pretty much what I want! I hope this clears it up, I've rewritten this thrice now! [...] This is the part I wanted you to clarify: I understand I'll have to disable science and signal in Kerbalism's settings.cfg, but why would I remove all references to NEEDS[FeatureScience] and FOR[Kerbalism] if science is now disabled? BTW, apart from full science recovery and the harddrives, what other benefits I'll loose doing this? On the harddrives topic: it is NOT possible to keep them (with NO auto transfer of science results), is it? Sorry to make you rewrite this a third time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panarchist Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Overall loving the new release, and I like the new science system, although it takes some getting used to. My only complaint is that I have trouble believing that temperature and pressure data can be 6MB of data. Those extremely simple items should be the size of a crew report at most. Especially given that in most Tech Trees, they are some of the first available science experiments, so you end up with situations where a probe can't transmit back due to the time and power requirements. This breaks early-game science collection for people using Unmanned Before Manned, or Historical Progression Tech Tree, among others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThRodrigues Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 (edited) Someone able to create a MM Patch for Kerbalism have support for MKS (greenhouse, inflatables, comfort, etc)? Planetary Base System has already updated, Pathfinder has not yet. Edited December 21, 2016 by ThRodrigues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theJesuit Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 2 hours ago, jlcarneiro said: Thanks, @theJesuit! This is the part I wanted you to clarify: I understand I'll have to disable science and signal in Kerbalism's settings.cfg, but why would I remove all references to NEEDS[FeatureScience] and FOR[Kerbalism] if science is now disabled? BTW, apart from full science recovery and the harddrives, what other benefits I'll loose doing this? On the harddrives topic: it is NOT possible to keep them (with NO auto transfer of science results), is it? Sorry to make you rewrite this a third time... I re-wrote my last post three times before submiting it. Couldn't quite work out what I was trying to say. by making science=false in the settings.cfg it turns off Kerbalism's FeatureScience, meaning anything that is tagged NEEDS[FeatureScience] will not be used. So if you want to keep the adjusted rates but not use the entire Science Feature of Kerbalism, then you need to remove the NEEDS[FeatureScience] from the parts you want to keep. If you want to try a different save with Kerbalism's science=true, you don't need to add the NEEDS[FutureScience] back in as it will load regardless. If you delete anything else from the science.cfg file obviously that won't load. Harddrives I believe is a little like the Experiment Storage Unit that is now stock. So I guess if you add that part to a craft you are able to remove science from a part. I haven't really played with that yet! For Harddrives, if they are specifically part of Kerbalism's science system, and not mentioned in any of the .cfg files then you won't keep them. You possibly could write a MM patch that would add the collection of science back into a crewed module by replicating the ModuleScienceContainer across all crew parts. I'd be happy for @ShotgunNinja to say if I'm completely wrong about any of this! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeant93 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 How can i protect my kerbals and my spacecraft from carbon dioxide poisoning, using this mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlcarneiro Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 4 hours ago, theJesuit said: I re-wrote my last post three times before submiting it. Couldn't quite work out what I was trying to say. by making science=false in the settings.cfg it turns off Kerbalism's FeatureScience, meaning anything that is tagged NEEDS[FeatureScience] will not be used. So if you want to keep the adjusted rates but not use the entire Science Feature of Kerbalism, then you need to remove the NEEDS[FeatureScience] from the parts you want to keep. If you want to try a different save with Kerbalism's science=true, you don't need to add the NEEDS[FutureScience] back in as it will load regardless. If you delete anything else from the science.cfg file obviously that won't load. Harddrives I believe is a little like the Experiment Storage Unit that is now stock. So I guess if you add that part to a craft you are able to remove science from a part. I haven't really played with that yet! For Harddrives, if they are specifically part of Kerbalism's science system, and not mentioned in any of the .cfg files then you won't keep them. You possibly could write a MM patch that would add the collection of science back into a crewed module by replicating the ModuleScienceContainer across all crew parts. I'd be happy for @ShotgunNinja to say if I'm completely wrong about any of this! Peace. Thanks again! Now I think I got it! Sorry, English is not my first language and to make it worse, sometimes I can be very thick... Thank you again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-Doctor Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, zeant93 said: How can i protect my kerbals and my spacecraft from carbon dioxide poisoning, using this mod? have scrubbers, also have something to collect the co2, I'm unsure if the second part is needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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