Creating a universe. (On paper),

[NSEP]

Have you ever wanted to play god? Creating our own universe is impossible right? No, you can do it on paper! Or if you have programming skills, you could do it on a computer.

So, how?

Well ts easy, you make a few particles and write down their propeties and rules, combine those particles together and you can make a universe, with its very own physics and elements, i decide to share my universe here on the forum. So lets start!

First we need our measurments:

Lets use things called "Langs" to measure lenght and distance.

Lets use "Wicht" to measure weight per Langs (Squared)

Eents are used to measure attraction per element

More measurments come later since its 0:30 am right now and i am getting tired.

So here are our particles:

Aants are particles that attract everything. Each Aant produces 1+ Eent

Norms are particles that do nothing, they weaken the Eent power by -0,1 per Norm but they cannot get the Eent power below 0

Afts only get attracted by Afts and they are behave negativly around any other particles, the lower Eent power by -1

Zoms are particles that get produced whenever the Eent power gets lowered by -1, Eents can move their course, but only 3 Eents can make them to orbit. When a Zom hit a particle cluster like an Atom, the Atom loses all of ther particles

Radeons are made when 2 Zoms hit, when Radeons hit a particle, it will copy that particle, and  the 2nd time it hits a particle it places the particle it copied there.

So how about molecules?

When an "Atom" has 1 Zom orbiting itself, it will create a bond between another atom with the same amount Zoms, It cannot bond itself to a particle with a different Zom count. Every Zom per bond creates 2 Langs, so if there are 2 atoms with both 1 zom, their distance from eachother will be 2 langs. This is how molecules can form.

There is a periodic table of this too, here is how it works: 

The table is not finished, If you want an element to be named after you, ask me and i will maybe make it!

Here are some of the Phenomena that can happend in this universe:

1. Particle chases,

When a particle/element/everything meets a particle with its opposite Eent power meet, they chase each other. (See A.) When the chaser has more Eent power than the chased particle, the chaser will collide with the chased particle, since the chaser is faster. (See B.) When the chased particle has more Eent power than the chaser. The chased particle can escape. This phenomena can happend on a much larger scale. But when there is a positive Eent particle next to the chase, the particles will split and stop chasing. If there is a Negative Eent particle, both particles in the chase will come in that particlrs direction, some times the chased particle and the negative eent particle collide, sp they can escape from the chase.

2. Zom bursts

-1. A normal Fo (Foreon) Atom

-2. Zom particles hit and create radeons.

-3. Radeons hit the zoms so they copy and paste them around.

-4. More and more Zoms and Radeons appear.

-5. The cycle goes faster and faster.

-6. After some time, there are alot of Zoms and Radeons orbiting the Atom

-7. The Atom does not have enough Eent power to hold it all, so the swarm of Zoms and Radeons goes outwards.

-8. Some Zoms remain to the main Atom, others go out and interact with other Atoms.

This is what we call Zom Bursts.

These are the basics of this universe, more info on stuff that could happend in this universe is coming soon  feel free to ask any questions.

Edited October 13, 2016 by NSEP

[nascarlaser1]

is this just a post about the universe you are making? or is it a community thingy?

[NSEP]

Just now, nascarlaser1 said:

is this just a post about the universe you are making? or is it a community thingy?

Right know its what i am making, but i will make a community version later. Im just sharing the idea of it to you peeps.

[The Raging Sandwich]

I did something like this, it was really fun! Glad more people are doing it other than me! Also, it was the basis of my WIP book Outpost!

[kerbiloid]

4 hours ago, NSEP said:

when Radeons hit a particle, it will copy that particle

Conservation laws warning.

4 hours ago, NSEP said:

Lets use things called "Langs" to measure lenght and distance.

 

4 hours ago, NSEP said:

Every Zom per bond creates 2 Langs

Ambiguity: is space continuous or discrete.

4 hours ago, NSEP said:

Lets use "Wicht" to measure weight per Langs (Squared)

Ambiguity: "weight" or "attraction force".

4 hours ago, NSEP said:

Norms are particles that do nothing, they weaken the Eent power by -0,1 per Norm but they cannot get the Eent power below 0

Afts only get attracted by Afts and they are behave negativly around any other particles, the lower Eent power by -1

So, either any attraction force decreases down to the negative infinity, or stays 0 when gets 0.

In the first case any particle will be always under infinite acceleration, being continuously repulsed by distant particles.
In the second, the Universe gets bubbled, as any force will drop to zero at several particles distance.

[NSEP]

4 hours ago, kerbiloid said:

Conservation laws warning.

 

Ambiguity: is space continuous or discrete.

Ambiguity: "weight" or "attraction force".

So, either any attraction force decreases down to the negative infinity, or stays 0 when gets 0.

In the first case any particle will be always under infinite acceleration, being continuously repulsed by distant particles.
In the second, the Universe gets bubbled, as any force will drop to zero at several particles distance.

Radeons take the properties of that of a particle that hits, it will still be a radeon forever. When it hits the 2nd time, it places the particle it copied and it will fly away, to do the some thing, the cycle of a radeons life goes on and on.

Space is discrete since its on a sheet of paper, but if you change the scaling you can make it bigger

Wicht is different than Eent, they both measure attraction force, but Wicht is not just per Atom/Molecule. Eents can be used on the periodic table of this universe, while Wicht can be used to measure the Weight of tidepools, thats what i call my simulations on paper.

Norms cant get the Eent power below 0. Afts can. It wont drop all the Eent power since Zoms can Tear the Atoms apart so they can start all over again. Since a drop of -1 Eent makes a Zom, it fly can away, create radeons, tear Atoms apart, and it still change its cource since Afts repell any particle but not their own species.

[NSEP]

The periodic table is coming very soon, here is it how it is going to work:

[NSEP]

How we visualize the universe:

The table is here!

Edited October 11, 2016 by NSEP

[kerbiloid]

Between strange things I've ever met, this is one of the most ones. Just wow...

[p1t1o]

Be careful that you dont just create an analogue of our universe just with a "funked up" naming convention.

For example, if you are going to design your own universe, you dont necessarily have to start with particles, charges and a periodic table. Time doesn't even have to work the same.

Why not a universe with no attractive laws whatsoever? Congregations of particles might be statistically-driven only.

Particles are assumed to be point-like in our universe, and may be a manifestation of fields. One could experiment with a universe where particles/particle boundaries naturally form, with non-spherical geometry, and thus fit together/collide/combine/shatter/attract/repel in unpredictable ways.

 

It is hard to get into a mindset of a universe that does not require discrete particles to generate complexity, but if you are allowed to define all natural laws, there may well be little reason that this should be a restriction. Imagine a universe where instead of point masses/charge/whatever, that there was a smooth gradient between ALL concentrations of mass/charge/whatever with mass/charge/whatever distributed smoothly across the entire universe.

 

Not knocking the idea or the progress you've made, just some constructive thoughts! (On what might be the most complicated question ever concieved/concievable!)

[OrbitalBuzzsaw]

Name an element Pizzium!

[NSEP]

18 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Name an element Pizzium!

Okey! Will add it to my list!

[NSEP]

57 minutes ago, p1t1o said:

Be careful that you dont just create an analogue of our universe just with a "funked up" naming convention.

For example, if you are going to design your own universe, you dont necessarily have to start with particles, charges and a periodic table. Time doesn't even have to work the same.

Why not a universe with no attractive laws whatsoever? Congregations of particles might be statistically-driven only.

Particles are assumed to be point-like in our universe, and may be a manifestation of fields. One could experiment with a universe where particles/particle boundaries naturally form, with non-spherical geometry, and thus fit together/collide/combine/shatter/attract/repel in unpredictable ways.

 

It is hard to get into a mindset of a universe that does not require discrete particles to generate complexity, but if you are allowed to define all natural laws, there may well be little reason that this should be a restriction. Imagine a universe where instead of point masses/charge/whatever, that there was a smooth gradient between ALL concentrations of mass/charge/whatever with mass/charge/whatever distributed smoothly across the entire universe.

 

Not knocking the idea or the progress you've made, just some constructive thoughts! (On what might be the most complicated question ever concieved/concievable!)

I just could not think of a universe without particles or with something different. Im not going that deep into creativity. I wanted to make a universe that can have planets and stars, but still behave differently, that is why i added attraction forces in here. This universe might have some analogs of neutrons, protons and electrons, but it does not have some of the properties my universe has. I also added Afts and Radeons in this universe, wich just change everything in this universe and makes it alot more different than our universe. Note that the universe is made out of just a few particles, if you change the property of one, everything changes!

Thanks for posting your thoughts

[Technical Ben]

The answer is in the question.

To create a Universe, you must first do what?

As this universe already exists (or is shown to exist) before I existed, I did not create/make/invent it. However, if I am to consider making one for myself, I have but two limitations. One, is that I am involved, two is that I have a "first" action.

So the question is, what is the first action one must take to make a universe.

[NSEP]

1 hour ago, Technical Ben said:

The answer is in the question.

To create a Universe, you must first do what?

As this universe already exists (or is shown to exist) before I existed, I did not create/make/invent it. However, if I am to consider making one for myself, I have but two limitations. One, is that I am involved, two is that I have a "first" action.

So the question is, what is the first action one must take to make a universe.

The first action you need take to make a universe as a human is to think about it, the second action is to write about it, the the third action is to simulate it. That is my awnser. I thought about it, i wrote about it, and i simulated it in my mind. I made a Universe. The only things is that it does not really exist, only as simulations in my mind. I do not have any coding skill so i cant do it on the computer.

[Technical Ben]

Stencyl lets you do some things without programming. Not sure about making an entire Universe though.

I do like the thought experiments involved though.

 

Such as "Wire World" or "Game of life".

http://pmav.eu/stuff/javascript-game-of-life-v3.1.1/

Edited October 11, 2016 by Technical Ben

[p1t1o]

14 hours ago, Technical Ben said:

To create a Universe, you must first do what?

Is this like one of those philosophical conundrums? Like first I must exist in a universe?

Or:

"To design a universe, first, build a universe in which matter will eventually coalesce, condense into stars and planets, wait for life to emerge on one and evolve into a competent designer."?

(Bonus points if you use it to power your brake-lights? Wub-a-lub-a-dub-duuuuub!)

 

I wanna reference an XKCD but cant find the right one, but it goes something like this:

"Recipe for apple pie: Hydrogen, Time."

[Technical Ben]

(I'll make this my last post because I don't want to go off topic )

Yes, in a way it is. The OP is a cool idea on making a similar universe to ours.

I really find it interesting thinking about the limitations in creating universes. We aim for rules (as the OP does ), so by definition cannot be contradictory. Our universe is required to be logical.

That is a limit applied to it. From there, we are limited in our first move. Other things are free. What can we do? That I know less about.

 

Having a universe with less or more dimensions, now that would be fun. Or less or more gravity? (Though that would mess up stellar, and thus elemental production )

I found a cool Youtube channel that covers the Real Life universe and how to "make" it. :https://www.youtube.com/user/Artifexian/featured

 

Hope those videos help NSEP!

[NSEP]

29 minutes ago, Technical Ben said:

(I'll make this my last post because I don't want to go off topic )

Yes, in a way it is. The OP is a cool idea on making a similar universe to ours.

I really find it interesting thinking about the limitations in creating universes. We aim for rules (as the OP does ), so by definition cannot be contradictory. Our universe is required to be logical.

That is a limit applied to it. From there, we are limited in our first move. Other things are free. What can we do? That I know less about.

 

Having a universe with less or more dimensions, now that would be fun. Or less or more gravity? (Though that would mess up stellar, and thus elemental production )

I found a cool Youtube channel that covers the Real Life universe and how to "make" it. :https://www.youtube.com/user/Artifexian/featured

 

Hope those videos help NSEP!

Thanks for the reply Ben!

What i have now are just the basic things, these are just Atoms, while i am aiming for stars, planets and maybe even life.

My universe is 2D, since most of it is on paper, thus making it quite a bit different. Since there is negative gravity in this universe, (and is pretty common) it adds another aspect that makes it different, this gives the possibility of planets chasing eachother, wich could be pretty cool.

Thanks for reminding me of Atrifexian, i watched all his videos 6 months ago, but they are still very interesting.

And you are still allowed to post, as long at it is related to this topic.

[NSEP]

Phenomena Update 1 is up! See the main main post.

[NSEP]

New phenomena discovered! Zom bursts!

im working on an explanation in the main post.

[KAL 9000]

This is cool, someone should probably be able to program a computer simulation of this (and hopefully in 3D). Also, a three-dimensional universe, according to the laws of physics we know, is pretty much required for life.

[Planetace]

17 minutes ago, KAL 9000 said:

This is cool, someone should probably be able to program a computer simulation of this (and hopefully in 3D). Also, a three-dimensional universe, according to the laws of physics we know, is pretty much required for life.

This is bob, bob is a 2d animal.

Be like bob.

[NSEP]

My friend seems to like it alot too. Lol.

[Felsmak]

15 hours ago, Galacticvoyager said:

This is bob, bob is a 2d animal.

Be like bob.

I tried to draw something like this a long time ago, but gave up when I couldn't find a neat way to keep the creature from getting split in half by its own digestive tract. Never thought about the food bubble idea!