mikegarrison Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 5 hours ago, Hotel26 said: I can only say that I am annoyed that Starship launches are not being conducted from equatorial regions. It doesn't make sense to me for reasons of a) physics!, b) economics (out-sourcing[1]), c) regulation and d) pollution. Musk is a smart guy and I am just waiting for him to figure this out. (What applies to the social-network-formerly-known-as-Twitter also applies to <fill in anything you really care about>.) People will object that the costs of relocating are prohibitive ('astronomical'); and yes, this is precisely the trap. Read the tea leaves. I want my IFT-5 launch and I want it NOW. [1] truthfully, I think there may be quite many dedicated, well-credentialled Americans who would not mind at all being offered the opportunity to live somewhere else with very much lower costs but still having a high-power career path with a cutting-edge company. Like SpaceX. There is a saying about generals: "amateurs study tactics; professionals study logistics". I will also point out that supervillains with island volcano starbases always seem to fail in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBase Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, magnemoe said: Think this was the idea for the oil platform idea, they was later sold off. Elon might already regret it . I assume they did not forsee the current bureaucratic hassle and had it weigh up with any technical problems. However I suprised that they did not learn from all trouble in the past year and recruit more legal experts to plan ahead. I am pretty sure you are allowed to apply for a launch license and then decide not to use it. If the law mandates a public hearing phase of 60 days this should be on the critical path for a fast moving company like SpaceX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 The plan from "go" has always been landing at Starbase, and the ecological studies already included this reality. Little here is new at all... the hot staging ring? The deluge systems—plural, as the new pad has a flame trench and deluge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 On 9/10/2024 at 12:51 PM, darthgently said: I wonder if IFT-5 will somehow be delayed until after New Glenn launches. Looks like it. Of course. Let's watch New Glenn, then demolish it with IFT-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegarrison Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 4 minutes ago, Meecrob said: Of course. Let's watch New Glenn, then demolish it with IFT-5 Would a successful flight by New Glenn "demolish" Starship? If not, why would the other way around be true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meecrob Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, mikegarrison said: professionals study logistics That's why I own my own logistics consultancy firm. 2 minutes ago, mikegarrison said: Would a successful flight by New Glenn "demolish" Starship? If not, why would the other way around be true? I'm just clowning around. I wish New Glenn all the best! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, CBase said: Elon might already regret it . I assume they did not forsee the current bureaucratic hassle and had it weigh up with any technical problems. However I suprised that they did not learn from all trouble in the past year and recruit more legal experts to plan ahead. I am pretty sure you are allowed to apply for a launch license and then decide not to use it. If the law mandates a public hearing phase of 60 days this should be on the critical path for a fast moving company like SpaceX. just from a regulatory standpoint, getting into international waters removes a lot of red tape. does bureaucracy cost more than an ocean platform? probibly. Edited September 12 by Nuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darthgently Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 32 minutes ago, Nuke said: just from a regulatory standpoint, getting into international waters removes a lot of red tape. does bureaucracy cost more than an ocean platform? probibly Maybe settling a seastead in the ocean will have to come before settling Mars or elsewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAL59 Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 If Starship is the critical path for Artemis, why isn't there any sort of accelerated process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AckSed Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 If the SLS launcher overrun is any indication, NASA tends to dig in to the causes of a slowdown or over-budget by a contractor only after it's become clear it's unsustainable. My finger-in-the-wind feeling is that SpaceX is not there yet, and actually doing okay for designing a whole class of upper stages, including what is essentially a cheaper, mass-produced Shuttle 2.0 for way less than it would normally take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Polaris Dawn EVA clock has started! Currently flushing nitrogen out of the suits, will proceed with Dragon depressurization in a few minutes if all goes well. Hatch opening in ~25 minutes nominally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ultimate Steve Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 That was cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minmus Taster Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Wow! Just woke up to this, congrats to SpaceX on this achievement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 That moment when we got the helmet camera of him coming out of the hatch, that was the coolest thing I've seen in a long while! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 so i take it we didnt have a beachball to big to get in the hatch problem again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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StrandedonEarth Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Well, there are other companies intent on competing. It’s not Spacex’ fault the others are way behind. They are even launching competitors’ netsats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuke Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 satellite internet has been a thing for a long time. starlink made it better. i think there will be competition eventually. really the problem with monopolies is when they lobby the little guys out of existence. and in the world of space flight there are no little guys. there's a reason the spacing guild also ran the banks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 (edited) Starlink is not a monopoly, nothing even remotely near it. Every single person on this forum has broadband, I assume, what % have Starlink? <1% I'd wager, hardly a monopoly. What % in places with Amazon have used Amazon? ~100% I reckon. I buy online from "not Amazon" decently often, but a majority of purchases online have got to be Amazon for my family (and most people, I'd bet). Edited September 12 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GuessingEveryDay Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 Wait... What is the ISS's internet speed? Like, it's could be better for the ISS to use Starlink instead of whatever system they're using now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBase Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 3 hours ago, Nuke said: really the problem with monopolies is when they lobby the little guys out of existence. Or if you misuse de facto monopol to prevent competition to access supplied markets. Like Windows and online access, business suites, server systems, etc. some years ago. Or launch capabilites for space based business. So as long SpaceX is offering fair launch prices even to Starlink competitors, I don't see a misuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuessingEveryDay Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 https://www.universetoday.com/143221/upgraded-iss-now-has-a-600-megabit-per-second-internet-connection/ 75Mbps, not too bad. However that's 75 Mb in total, not per device. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deddly Posted September 12 Share Posted September 12 2 hours ago, GuessingEveryDay said: https://www.universetoday.com/143221/upgraded-iss-now-has-a-600-megabit-per-second-internet-connection/ 75Mbps, not too bad. However that's 75 Mb in total, not per device. The article doesn't mention SpaceX. Aren't they using their own system? EDIT: The article is five years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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