totm nov 2023 SpaceX Discussion Thread

[darthgently]

52 minutes ago, K^2 said:

Bezos is better at keeping low profile, but I agree that it's no reason to let him off the hook. People should scrutinize BO and its gov't contracts more. Both the past under current admin, and what they'll get under the incoming.

Relevant read: Whataboutism

I'm pointing out specific patterns in company statements and decisions in the context of technology used and stated and expected timelines for the development as well as past behavior of companies under the leadership of the same individuals - the political stance of said individuals was at no point brought up, and you trying to make it sound like it's about politics rather than company policy is exactly what you're accusing the rest of us of doing right now.

Company policy is relevant to the discussion of technology and its safety, and so setting that aside because you want to make it sound like decisions made by company leadership are automatically politics, because it hurts your own narrative, is not helpful to anyone involved in the discussion.

Not buying it.  You specifically brought up politics and political connections several times.  Again, your concerns, if sincere, would better be directed to the decision makers involved rather than merely focusing torturing the forum.

If you would stick to knowns and not blatantly biased hypotheticals it would be easier to accommodate the walls of text.   The whatabout was to point out the bias and it did that.

Let’s just stop this.  Stick to the facts and the forum bounds.  Get on X if you want free speech.  I’m easy to find.

[darthgently]

6 hours ago, GuessingEveryDay said:

I think I found a map for what the NOTAMs looked like for the IFT-7's launch plan.

Turk and Caicos is very helpfully labelled on the map.

As already noted, but ignored, those are the initial restricted zones in those maps not the dynamic ones preplanned and issued in case of a break up.  The larger zone that rerouted planes was north of the islands.

Any debris that was blown over the Turks and Cacos would be small lightweight material probably carried by winds because it is small and lightweight.  The only thing I’ve seen reported is a scrap of the underlying ablative about the size of a piece of office paper, not a tile or a chunk of metal, or a raptor.   Not ideal, but the sky is not, in fact falling.  No reported damage or injuries

 

[K^2]

23 minutes ago, darthgently said:

Get on X if you want free speech.

Bait used to be believable.

 

Anyways, FAA asking for a mishap investigation indicates that a mishap resulting in increased risk to public has occurred, in their opinion, and they want to know why.

https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/statements/general-statements

Notably, from the FAA statement:

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A Debris Response Area is activated only if the space vehicle experiences an anomaly with debris falling outside of the identified closed aircraft hazard areas. It allows the FAA to direct aircraft to exit the area and prevent others from entering.

Emphasis for anyone with trouble parsing the statement whole. So the claim that, "The hazard zone was indicated in advance, and that's where the debris fell," does not hold water. The debris fell outside of the hazard area, creating danger to airline traffic.

[PakledHostage]

For the record: This is not some clickbait crap. VASAviation is a very informative aviation channel. 

Edited 41 minutes ago by PakledHostage