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In this challenge, you are to replicate a real life airplane. All stock. Least deviation from real life length, width, height, full and empty weight, thrust, speed, and range wins. Score is calculated as the sum of all deviations. Measured in appropriate metric units. Lowest score wins. MUST be identifiable as the selected airplane, and share major design features (e.g, F-104s small wings, side intakes, and T-Tail)

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Week 1

Mirage III

Leaderboard

1. @MiffedStarfish 18 part count

2. @Scarecrow 19 part count

3. @Triop 30 part count

4. @sevenperforce 31 part count

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  On 6/13/2017 at 10:37 PM, dundun92 said:

Lowest part count wins

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Woah there, Why? And also, if you say that, then couldn't I submit a cockpit with a fuel tank, air intake, and engine and call it a replica and instantly win? All jet aircraft are essentially that.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 12:29 AM, qzgy said:

Woah there, Why? And also, if you say that, then couldn't I submit a cockpit with a fuel tank, air intake, and engine and call it a replica and instantly win? All jet aircraft are essentially that.

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You will then be asked "What makes your plane a mirage 3, and not an F-104, or an F-18"

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The problem with a 'lowest part count wins' is that it is going to preclude a lot of aircraft.  To build a plane that bears a passing resemblance to the original is going to take a lot more parts for some than it is for others.  The scoring makes some sense if the challenge was to build a replica of a specific plane, but even then is it right that a 15 part count creation should beat a 35 part count plane, especially if the 15 count plane only bore a passing resemblance but the 35 part plane was pretty spot on?

 

Take these three :

ME163 Komet

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F104 Starfighter

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Hawker Harrier

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I'd like to think that all 3 bear a reasonable resemblance to the aircraft they were based on, but there's no way I could build the Harrier with a part count anywhere near the other two.  So even though I consider the Harrier one of my better attempts at copying a real aircraft, it's penalised at the outset. 

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  On 6/14/2017 at 12:11 PM, sevenperforce said:

And the answer will be "uh, can't you tell?"

I like the challenge but it either needs to be unscored, or scored differently.

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I will then say "

Also, its YOU whose supposed to answer,  not me.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:37 PM, dundun92 said:

MUST be identifiable as the selected airplane, and share major design features (e.g, F-104s small wings, side intakes, and T-Tail)

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  On 6/14/2017 at 2:42 PM, Scarecrow said:

The problem with a 'lowest part count wins' is that it is going to preclude a lot of aircraft.  To build a plane that bears a passing resemblance to the original is going to take a lot more parts for some than it is for others.  The scoring makes some sense if the challenge was to build a replica of a specific plane, but even then is it right that a 15 part count creation should beat a 35 part count plane, especially if the 15 count plane only bore a passing resemblance but the 35 part plane was pretty spot on?

 

Take these three :

ME163 Komet

Me16302.jpg

 

F104 Starfighter

104-1.png

 

Hawker Harrier

anom.jpg

 

I'd like to think that all 3 bear a reasonable resemblance to the aircraft they were based on, but there's no way I could build the Harrier with a part count anywhere near the other two.  So even though I consider the Harrier one of my better attempts at copying a real aircraft, it's penalised at the outset. 

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Maybe you misunderstood the goal. It isn't to make the best replica. It is to be creative, and to think of new ways to build airplanes with less parts.

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Two conflicting statements - it either needs to be a replica or it doesn't, so yes I admit I don't understand the challenge.

 

  On 6/13/2017 at 10:37 PM, dundun92 said:

@dundun92 In this challenge, you are to replicate a real life airplane. All stock. Lowest part count wins. MUST be identifiable as the selected airplane,

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  On 6/14/2017 at 3:47 PM, dundun92 said:

@dundun92 Maybe you misunderstood the goal. It isn't to make the best replica. It is to be creative, and to think of new ways to build airplanes with less parts.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 4:16 PM, Scarecrow said:

Two conflicting statements - it either needs to be a replica or it doesn't, so yes I admit I don't understand the challenge.

 

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They aren't. What im saying is that I want creative replicas, not a 200 part count entry with every single last detail. Notice that I said BEST replica, not replica.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 5:34 PM, Scarecrow said:

Minimalist Mirage III

19 parts

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If your plane was placed besides a real Mirage III, would an expert tell that it was supposed to be a Mirage III? At least use the more swept back delta wing. But ill count it anyway.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 5:47 PM, dundun92 said:

If your plane was placed besides a real Mirage III, would an expert tell that it was supposed to be a Mirage III? At least use the more swept back delta wing. But ill count it anyway.

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I enjoy building replicas and would like to participate, but the goal of fewest number of parts is totally at odds with building replicas. How are we supposed to find this completely arbitrary sweet spot between cockpit + engine + wings and an accurate replica?

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:05 PM, foobar said:

I enjoy building replicas and would like to participate, but the goal of fewest number of parts is totally at odds with building replicas. How are we supposed to find this completely arbitrary sweet spot between cockpit + engine + wings and an accurate replica?

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Thats where creativity comes In.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 4:54 PM, dundun92 said:

They aren't. What im saying is that I want creative replicas, not a 200 part count entry with every single last detail. Notice that I said BEST replica, not replica.

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Ok, what? You want "creative" replicas. Ok, so how is a 200 part count thing not a "creative" replica? Also, shouldn't a "replica" try to replicate or copy in detail as best as possible what the original looked/acted like, thus leading to enormous quantities of detail and high part count?

Your last statement.......... "Best replica, not replica" The best replica will always be the one that most looks like the original - which will not always be the case with low part count things.

So, I have to agree with @sevenperforce, cool idea, but needs refinement in scoring, or not score at all.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:12 PM, qzgy said:

Ok, what? You want "creative" replicas. Ok, so how is a 200 part count thing not a "creative" replica? Also, shouldn't a "replica" try to replicate or copy in detail as best as possible what the original looked/acted like, thus leading to enormous quantities of detail and high part count?

Your last statement.......... "Best replica, not replica" The best replica will always be the one that most looks like the original - which will not always be the case with low part count things.

So, I have to agree with @sevenperforce, cool idea, but needs refinement in scoring, or not score at all.

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1. When mentioning best replica, thats not what I meant. Maybe you should have read further up.

2. what should the scoring system be then?

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:28 PM, dundun92 said:

1. When mentioning best replica, thats not what I meant. Maybe you should have read further up.

2. what should the scoring system be then?

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1. Maybe I did, And I couldn't understand. So explain clearly.

2. None, perhaps, since scoring such a thing is too difficult and vague.

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And im not in the mood to keep arguing. if it continues, im gonna forget the challenge 

  On 6/14/2017 at 4:16 PM, Scarecrow said:
  On 6/14/2017 at 3:47 PM, dundun92 said:

Maybe you misunderstood the goal. It isn't to make the best replica. It is to be creative, and to think of new ways to build airplanes with less parts.

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To show the problem with the current scoring system, here is my entry

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12 parts. Technically is a "replica" - delta wings, side mounted intakes, rear tail, front cockpit. So this counts, right?

 

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  On 6/14/2017 at 5:47 PM, dundun92 said:

 

If your plane was placed besides a real Mirage III, would an expert tell that it was supposed to be a Mirage III?

 

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:34 PM, qzgy said:

To show the problem with the current scoring system, here is my entry

vNTUJBj.png

12 parts. Technically is a "replica" - delta wings, side mounted intakes, rear tail, front cockpit. So this counts, right?

 

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An expert wouldnt be able to tell what it was.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:36 PM, dundun92 said:

An expert wouldnt be able to tell what it was.

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Who defines expert? Also, your earlier statement (in the op) was "it must have the same characteristics" Which I have done. Also, how will the "expert" know if its a mirage III, or IV or V? They all look about the same.

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  On 6/14/2017 at 6:40 PM, qzgy said:

Who defines expert? Also, your earlier statement (in the op) was "it must have the same characteristics" Which I have done. Also, how will the "expert" know if its a mirage III, or IV or V? They all look about the same.

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Why does this have to be made complicated. Also, LENGTH, WIDTH and PORPORTIONS are characteristics. An expert would be a Mirage III pilot, designer, or mechanic.

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