Xd the great Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: who was the pilot of Soyuz MS-10 during the successful LES test last autumn Yeah, definitely a planned LES test, with US astronauts on it. Edited January 30, 2019 by Xd the great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Xd the great said: with US astronauts on it. An international successful LES test, so what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Xd the great said: Yeah, definitely a planned LES test, with US astronauts on it. It was an unscheduled rapid disassembly of the rocket, which led to an impromptu test of the LES. Unfortunately, it happened to shorten the mission somewhat, skipping the "go to ISS" stage between "send astronauts to space" and "take astronauts back to Earth". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insert_name Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Apparently space news got a heavily guided tour of Vostochny Cosmodrome, so far it's been highly successful at delivering pork to the locals and not much else https://spacenews.com/the-long-road-to-vostochny-inside-russias-newest-launch-facility/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatastrophicFailure Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, kerbiloid said: An international successful LES test, so what? You see, Ivan, when not tell astronauts about important test, is make more testy! ...double blind something something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, CatastrophicFailure said: when not tell astronauts about important test, is make more testy! An exceptional check is always better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 41 minutes ago, Codraroll said: It was an unscheduled rapid disassembly of the rocket, which led to an impromptu test of the LES. Unfortunately, it happened to shorten the mission somewhat, skipping the "go to ISS" stage between "send astronauts to space" and "take astronauts back to Earth". With the 90km apogee they also skipped the "send astronauts to space" part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insert_name Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 3 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: With the 90km apogee they also skipped the "send astronauts to space" part. Depends on the definition of space, according to NASA they went to space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 9 hours ago, Xd the great said: Yeah, definitely a planned LES test, with US astronauts on it. In Russia space program, LES test you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codraroll Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Ultimate Steve said: With the 90km apogee they also skipped the "send astronauts to space" part. The change of plans meant they weren't going to stay in space for long anyway. Might as well turn back early to avoid traffic on the return leg of the journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Steve Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, insert_name said: Depends on the definition of space, according to NASA they went to space IIRC 50 miles is Air Force, not NASA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, StrandedonEarth said: In Russia space program, LES test you! Cough Spoiler Titov claimed that the crew's first action after the escape rocket fired was to deactivate the spacecraft's cockpit voice recorderbecause, as he put it, "We were swearing" From wiki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Xd the great said: swearing In Russia we say "I don't swear with harsh words, I speak with them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Rocket Scientist Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 hours ago, CatastrophicFailure said: You see, Ivan, when not tell astronauts about important test, is make more testy! ...double blind something something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 15 hours ago, Codraroll said: It was an unscheduled rapid disassembly of the rocket, which led to an impromptu test of the LES. Unfortunately, it happened to shorten the mission somewhat, skipping the "go to ISS" stage between "send astronauts to space" and "take astronauts back to Earth". Apollo had an very successful LES test as the test rocket used for the test RUD and the LES worked flawlessly. Was not the LES tower ejected just before booster separation? Think that was an weird time to do it rater than waiting to just after separation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 16 hours ago, insert_name said: so far it's been highly successful at delivering pork to the locals They encountered severe difficulty in finding any locals. Most of the pork ended up in Kazan, despite being haram. Yay secularism? 1 hour ago, magnemoe said: Was not the LES tower ejected just before booster separation? Think that was an weird time to do it rater than waiting to just after separation. Booster separation is perfect time for RUD. On a separate note, the lack of a movie theater in Tsiolkovsky is not surprising - big screen profit margins in Russia are plummeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xd the great Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 minutes ago, DDE said: On a separate note, the lack of a movie theater in Tsiolkovsky is not surprising - big screen profit margins in Russia are plummeting. How about big bear profits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 59 minutes ago, Xd the great said: How about big bear profits? Once Canada has a spaceport, so the grizzlies can feed there . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Izvestiya makes funny noises about Korona. Unknown if it’s an attempt from Makeyev to slide its SSTO card into the deck again. https://iz.ru/838754/mikhail-kotov/nasha-korona-kak-otechestvennye-inzhenery-obognali-vremia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) Soyuz-7 hype! AFAIK, rapid reuse is planned for stage 1 and spaceship. Edited January 31, 2019 by sh1pman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickSawyer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 How are they planning on recovering the first stage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 hours ago, sh1pman said: Soyuz-7 hype! AFAIK, rapid reuse is planned for stage 1 and spaceship. It was supposed to be a meme. 34 minutes ago, MaverickSawyer said: How are they planning on recovering the first stage? Not on this design, they aren’t. That looks like an RD-180, which reacts badly to being throttled down. Something radically different is required for SpaceX-style first-stage reuse they’re promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, DDE said: Not on this design, they aren’t. That looks like an RD-180, which reacts badly to being throttled down. Something radically different is required for SpaceX-style first-stage reuse they’re promising. Yes, on this design, but not SpaceX-style. Their CEO said in an interview that they’re looking into hypersonic chutes and small dedicated landing engines. http://www.forbes.ru/tehnologii/368767-v-kosmos-za-svoi-dengi-kak-s7-space-sdelaet-svoyu-raketu-i-gruzovoy-korabl Anyway, it’s much more interesting to me than Roscosmos stuff. Big projects like Vostochny, Angara, Federatsia, etc. have a habit of being delayed 2 years every 2 years or so. People in charge of these projects regularly get fired, jailed or found dead from unknown causes. It’s all so sketchy and dodgy that I don’t really expect any of those things to be completed in foreseeable future. On the other hand, private company like S7 Space is a business; it’ll either make their rockets work in reasonable time or go broke. Much more interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaverickSawyer Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, DDE said: Not on this design, they aren’t. That looks like an RD-180, which reacts badly to being throttled down. Something radically different is required for SpaceX-style first-stage reuse they’re promising. Hmm... Have you ever read through "Eyes Turned Skyward"? The author had an idea (a rather clever and elegant one, at that) to use a pair of essentially vernier engines for both the boost and landing phases, with the main engines used only during the boost. Perhaps they could do something similar? It's added complexity, yes, but it's also not going to require development of a new, large-scale, deep-throttling engine... just a smaller engine of the right thrust class to handle the nearly empty stage at, mmm... 2:1 TWR? Maybe less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Yes, on this design, but not SpaceX-style. Their CEO said in an interview that they’re looking into hypersonic chutes and small dedicated landing engines. Lateral engines? That’s the approach from Energiya boosters, and it has serious problems - without accounting for Sea Launch. 18 minutes ago, MaverickSawyer said: Hmm... Have you ever read through "Eyes Turned Skyward"? The author had an idea (a rather clever and elegant one, at that) to use a pair of essentially vernier engines for both the boost and landing phases, with the main engines used only during the boost. Perhaps they could do something similar? I’m not the author, but I had that idea. Soviet military missiles tend to have powerful verniers that are entirely independent from main engines. I’ve ran around with the idea of Falconizing the Soyuz-2.1v (which has an RD-0110 wrapped around the main NK-33/RD-193) about half a year back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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