sh1pman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 46 minutes ago, DDE said: Question is, whose FOBS? China is presently making non-statements on the above happening. We also have a semi-official vapid denial from a deputy head of Duma armed forces committee. From MoD statement: Quote (…) The Russian Ministry of Defense is carrying out planned activities to strengthen the defense capability, excluding the possibility of sudden damage to the country's security in the space sector and on the ground by existing and prospective foreign space assets. On November 15, the Russian Ministry of Defense successfully carried out a test, as a result of which the inoperative Russian spacecraft "Celina-D", which had been in orbit since 1982, was struck. (…) Maybe they know something and don’t tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/russia/803293?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Just in response to the US https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/world/803291?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Edited November 16, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 55 minutes ago, sh1pman said: Maybe they know something and don’t tell. You ninja'd me. That statement must have come out just after 14:00, rendering all previous comments null. 26 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/russia/803293?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Just in response to the US https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/world/803291?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Now, Lavrov is a far more serious source. Parliamentarians have the decorum and judgement of your average redditor. Really waiting for the rumor mill to start specifying what "strike systems" has the US already deployed in orbit (as per Lavrov). Spoiler I'm willing to bet they'll start with X-37B. Again. Edited November 16, 2021 by DDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) P.S. I've read through the actual link. At around 13:54 Lavrov was still denying there's any evidence a test took place. Edited November 16, 2021 by DDE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, DDE said: P.S. I've read through the actual link. At around 13:54 Lavrov was still denying there's any evidence a test took place. https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/russia/803315?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, kerbiloid said: https://www-interfax-ru.translate.goog/russia/803315?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ru&_x_tr_pto=nui So I win. It's a more complete version of the original MoD statement I saw on Interfax-AVN, and they do bluntly call X-37 a weapons platform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 14 minutes ago, DDE said: call X-37 a weapons platform. So, this should be shared between this thread, the ISS thread, and the X-37 thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kerbiloid Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 The leftmost is a Star Destroyer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sh1pman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 hours ago, DDE said: So they still need to test MiG-31 missile vs. satellite and a “Peresvet” laser gun vs. satellite. I guess, filling orbit with shrapnel is a way to defend against FOBS. I think the best way to do the test and not anger anyone is to blow up a Progress after it finishes its stay on the station. Undock, lower the orbit to 200x200 km, fire the missile. Lowest risk of getting a debris that can hit the station or anything useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, sh1pman said: I think the best way to do the test and not anger anyone is to blow up a Progress after it finishes its stay on the station. Undock, lower the orbit to 200x200 km, fire the missile. Lowest risk of getting a debris that can hit the station or anything useful. Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1pman Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 @DDE saw that. Even with tons of broken sats available, I still like my idea with Progress more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kerbiloid Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) This tweet cannot be truth as Russia was never planning to put the weapons into space. So, probably he was talking about some absolutely peaceful countermeasures. Edited November 17, 2021 by kerbiloid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 2 hours ago, kerbiloid said: This tweet cannot be truth as Russia was never planning to put the weapons into space. So, probably he was talking about some absolutely peaceful countermeasures. When Andropov is the one introducing a unilateral moratorium, you know you've crossed all the lines. Anyway, just had a bit of a heated argument. https://www.n2yo.com/?s=13552 Ru MoD never admitted to shooting down Kosmos 1408. It did shoot down a Tselina-D launched in 1982, one of four. And since the above website seems to be projecting from the latest NORAD TLIs as if it's still around, while also listing a "Kosmos 1408 Debris (decayed)", I had to deal with a loud claim that the Pentagon and everyone else couldn't even correctly identify the destroyed satellite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Detailed analysis by LEO. This shouldn't have happened, and even less to a target in a polar orbit. Hard to have more utter contempt for this outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sh1pman Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, DDE said: What I’d really love to see is a Peresvet laser gun vs. satellite test. Melting a sat is better than blowing it up into a thousand pieces! Because the 40k-style Main Cathedral of the Armed Forces needs to be protected with anti-orbital laser batteries. Edited November 18, 2021 by sh1pman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 6 hours ago, sh1pman said: What I’d really love to see is a Peresvet laser gun vs. satellite test. Melting a sat is better than blowing it up into a thousand pieces! A laser gun either blinds the target optics, or evaporates a tiny piece of it to burst it with the evaporated metal expansion (and cause a cloud of debris, too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 hours ago, kerbiloid said: A laser gun either blinds the target optics, or evaporates a tiny piece of it to burst it with the evaporated metal expansion (and cause a cloud of debris, too). The Laser Broom. I believe Sandia Labs at one point approched Russian optronics experts with such a suggestion... and there is an ongoing weaponization effort at one of the space lidar facilities in Altai. So, quite possibly, soon™. @sh1pman Edit: oh, not Altai https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=46485.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 hours ago, DDE said: The Laser Broom Not a weapon. Even not a viable design, just a fantasy. 7 000 t of aluminium to evaporate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 Interesting of RIA to call Prichal "the last Rusdian module for the ISS" https://ria.ru/20211119/baykonur-1759845651.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FleshJeb Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 19 hours ago, DDE said: People who argue like Stefanovich don't get punched in the face enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, FleshJeb said: People who argue like Stefanovich don't get punched in the face enough. Yay. That attitude definitely doesn't encourage more missiles and more blasted satellites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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