Biological Quantum Entanglement

[justidutch]

Bear with me here, and be advised that my thoughts here are in their infancy, and probably half-baked.  Therefore, it will not come to any surprise of mine that this thread be short-lived.  That being said, here we go.  I must start with a true story of my waking up this morning…

I woke up this morning with thoughts of an ex-girlfriend in my head.  I can truthfully say that this doesn't happen often, I haven't thought of her in months.  No big deal though, we had some good moments.  Oddly enough, however, I have found myself today deluded with various emails from her.  This also hasn't happened for a few months.  My immediate thought was: it's a (weird) coincidence.

Just a few minutes ago, I started thinking about it though, as I don't feel like doing much of my work at the moment.  Don't tell the boss.  Plus, some more emails came in.  But I digress…  So my new thought is, could this be something other than coincidence?  Can there be a reason that I start thinking about this person around the same time as she (obviously) is thinking about me?  Out of nowhere (other than the fact I lurk these forums continuously) I came up with the notion that this could be a form of quantum entanglement.  

If person A shakes the hand of person B, some cells are transferred, no?  If a kiss or more intimate action were involved, then definitely so.  Could it be, therefore, that one or some of the particles that comprise person A, and are now in a very small way part of person B (and vice-versa), 'quantumly-entangled'?  If such was the case even to the tiniest degree, it might explain some things.  My experience this morning, other deja-vu type of experiences, perhaps other phenomena.

If nothing else, it's an interesting idea, perhaps one that could be explored by authors of fiction.  I am not one of those, so feel free to take this idea and run with it!

Oh, and discuss here if you will!

[sevenperforce]

No.

[Green Baron]

1 hour ago, justidutch said:

  So my new thought is, could this be something other than coincidence? 

No.

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Can there be a reason that I start thinking about this person around the same time as she (obviously) is thinking about me? 

Yes. Happens all the time. A thinks of B, B thinks of A and in times of email and internet there isn't really a reason not to get in contact. Actually a reason to change my email addresses from time to time ;-) Not every ex ... ah never mind :-)

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If person A shakes the hand of person B, some cells are transferred, no?

Yes. And they are dead soon(tm). It is just body chemistry at work, aka memories.

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  My experience this morning, other deja-vu type of experiences, perhaps other phenomena.

A deja vu is something different. People sometimes live through/imagine a situation that seems very real, like a memory, but they are sure to never have actually been in such a situation. I had such a thing myself. Maybe just a dream or a situation from a book or a story from someone else i heard went into my subconsciousness and became something like a memory and a rl situation triggered that "memory" in such a way that i was convinced it was out of my life (which was impossible).

Was that understandable ? :-)

Oh, i should add, no supersensual mumbojumbo, just body chemistry.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by Green Baron

[Brotoro]

Quantum entanglement only works on quantum systems. Cells are macroscopic systems. So...no.

Simple coincidence.

[sevenperforce]

The human brain records memory as electrical patterns written on a neural network. Recalling these memories is an active process; the act of recalling a memory involved rewriting the memory. So you could have remembered your ex a dozen different times in the last month but not changing that memory and so you don't remember remembering it. Then, today, you think of it for a moment, and then the memory of remembering is fixed when she emails you, and suddenly it feels like more than a coincidence.

And also what the others said. Quantum entanglement works on quantum systems. Full stop.

Is it 0.00000000000000001% possible that some sort of sexual telepathy exists, but we simply haven't discovered it yet? Well, yes, I suppose that's possible, in the "can't be disproven" sense. But if so, it's nothing like quantum entanglement.

Edited February 7, 2018 by sevenperforce

[cubinator]

Probably not. The thing is, you're never surprised when a coincidence doesn't happen. So when it does, you feel really impressed. Just yesterday I took a screenshot of Starman over Australia and emailed it to my dad. Just a few hours later, the same shot showed up on the front page of BoingBoing. How could they have possibly gotten a hold of my exact screenshot but if somebody forwarded it a couple of times and it eventually got to the right person? I wanted to find out if it was really the same image, so I brought both of them up in Paint, resized my screenshot to be the same scale, and counted the pixels between the helmet and a small cloud. Turns out the one on the website was just a frame after mine. It was just that somebody else also thought that was a really good moment to screenshot.

[KG3]

If there is some sort of quantum effect going on wouldn't trying to prove it fail?  Like the double slit physics experiment, if you simply observe which slit the electron goes through you collapse the wave form and the interference pattern goes away.  So if you try to quantify your experience with your ex you will either find a cause for it or you will find it to be a statistically random event simply because you examined it.  So, yes but no but yes.  Maybe just try to enjoy these things when they happen but don't think about them too much.    

[sevenperforce]

11 minutes ago, KG3 said:

If there is some sort of quantum effect going on wouldn't trying to prove it fail?  Like the double slit physics experiment, if you simply observe which slit the electron goes through you collapse the wave form and the interference pattern goes away.  So if you try to quantify your experience with your ex you will either find a cause for it or you will find it to be a statistically random event simply because you examined it.  So, yes but no but yes.  Maybe just try to enjoy these things when they happen but don't think about them too much.    

Quantum uncertainty is not the same as quantum entanglement.

[KG3]

9 minutes ago, sevenperforce said:

Quantum uncertainty is not the same as quantum entanglement.

I don't see how quantum entanglement would contribute to justidutch's email situation.  

[mikegarrison]

4 hours ago, justidutch said:

Oddly enough, however, I have found myself today deluded

Yes, I also think this is the best explanation.

[K^2]

3 hours ago, Brotoro said:

Quantum entanglement only works on quantum systems. Cells are macroscopic systems. So...no.

That's not true. Entanglement works with systems sufficiently larger than a neuron. Josephson junctions are a classic example. Distinction between classical and quantum systems is far trickier.

But that's kind of irrelevant. Entanglement does not allow for communication. It's one of the core theorems of Quantum Mechanics. There can be any number of oddities of consciousness that have quantum backing, but anybody who tries to explain it via some sort of communication understands neither.

[p1t1o]

Think about this: lets say there IS a long-range quantum entanglement-powered connection between peoples thoughts that triggers thoughts and memories.

Now watch whilst everybody on the planet goes insane at the same time within a span of several days.

[kerbiloid]

That's simple. You are automated by the same script. Events happen simultaneously.

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In fact I from time to time experience this, too.

 

Edited February 8, 2018 by kerbiloid

[NSEP]

If this really is quantum entanglement on a macro-scale, then get the science boys over here, this is some real stuff. But i doubt it is. Cells are too massive and huge.

 

 

[p1t1o]

Heh. A google search throws up a fair amount of new research on this topic over the last few years. Nothing conclusive mind, but plenty of hypotheses.

In a nutshell, the scale is too small, and the timescales too short, for it to possibly affect brain function. BUT, if "conciousness" or "the mind" have properties not tied directly to physicality, then it may be plausible for it to play a part. As far as I know, the physicality of "consciousness", the "mind" or "soul" if you like, are extremely poorly understood, so theres room for discussion.

In this case though, there are plenty of far less esoteric explanations for this kind of deja-vu to have to fall back on spooky-action-at-a-distance.

[magnemoe]

On 8.2.2018 at 4:48 PM, kerbiloid said:

That's simple. You are automated by the same script. Events happen simultaneously.

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In fact I from time to time experience this, too.

 

Knowing each other well does this, playing multiplayer games in an group you learn the others play style, then you start using it and pass the ball as you know the other guy will be at intercept position as he always is. 
 

[kerbiloid]

2 hours ago, magnemoe said:

Knowing each other well does this, playing multiplayer games in an group you learn the others play style, then you start using it and pass the ball as you know the other guy will be at intercept position as he always is. 

Even when you are living 1300 km away from each other, communicate once per two weeks and have different unrelated jobs?

Edited February 11, 2018 by kerbiloid