Silavite Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) This may have been posted already, but these are the amounts awarded to total values of each HLS bid contract: SpaceX: $2.25B Dynetics: $5.27B National Team: $10.18B Edited July 3, 2020 by Silavite Current awards =/= total contract value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Silavite said: This may have been posted already, but these are the amounts awarded to each HLS bid: SpaceX: $2.25B Dynetics: $5.27B National Team: $10.18B Those figures are quite a bit larger than the awards as reported, each by approx a factor of 20. I shan't pretend to be able to follow the info on beta.SAM.gov, but the reported amounts are: SpaceX: $135m Dynetics: $253m National Team: $579m https://spacenews.com/nasa-selects-three-companies-for-human-landing-system-awards/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Silavite said: This may have been posted already, but these are the amounts awarded to each HLS bid: SpaceX: $2.25B Dynetics: $5.27B National Team: $10.18B The actual amounts awarded are the middle numbers (136M for SpaceX). The larger numbers are only if they win, and supply the service. Edited July 3, 2020 by tater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silavite Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 D'oh! Looks like I totally misread that. Apologies to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, RCgothic said: Those figures are quite a bit larger than the awards as reported, each by approx a factor of 20. I shan't pretend to be able to follow the info on beta.SAM.gov, but the reported amounts are: SpaceX: $135m Dynetics: $253m National Team: $579m https://spacenews.com/nasa-selects-three-companies-for-human-landing-system-awards/ You are correct. If you follow his links, you'll see the numbers you posted as the middle values. The "billions" numbers are for the winner actually flying humans. Just now, Silavite said: D'oh! Looks like I totally misread that. Apologies to all. No, you didn't! It's a good find. It's not what they are certainly all getting paid, it's what it is worth to them if they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I've heard that the TE for the National Team's ILV will perform part of descent, and be impacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sevenperforce Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Barzon said: I've heard that the TE for the National Team's ILV will perform part of descent, and be impacted. Mmm, Blok D goodness. Korolev approves. Do you have a source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barzon Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just a guy who works on HLS related stuff at MSFC. Not anything official of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Geopolitically not great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrandedonEarth Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 I guess this is Artemis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, RCgothic said: I guess this is Artemis? Cool. I wonder how they'd get something like that the surface - presumably assembly in-situ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Cool. I wonder how they'd get something like that the surface - presumably assembly in-situ? I guess we're going to have to wait and see what the cargo delivery systems turn out like! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, RealKerbal3x said: Cool. I wonder how they'd get something like that the surface - presumably assembly in-situ? I think both the Blue Origin and SpaceX landers are cargo-configurable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealKerbal3x Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, RCgothic said: I guess we're going to have to wait and see what the cargo delivery systems turn out like! 4 minutes ago, cubinator said: I think both the Blue Origin and SpaceX landers are cargo-configurable. Hmm, yeah. Starship could get an RV-sized vehicle to the lunar surface in one shot (assuming the spacecraft is configurable enough for it to fit). Blue Origin's lander would have to take multiple trips and the rover would have to be assembled in situ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 3m dia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCgothic Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Tiny. But then Gateway isn't intended to be continuously inhabited, it's just a place to change from Orion to the Lander. Still not clear what experiments they think people will want to do there but not at ISS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, RCgothic said: Still not clear what experiments they think people will want to do there but not at ISS. Long term radiation stuff, and habitation outside Earth's magnetosphere comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 Send astronauts there for 2 weeks at a time, then look at how many get cancer in 10 years compared to the norm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jinnantonix Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 The radiation environment could be easily simulated on Earth, and the epidemiological studies on radiation exposure have been done. It is extended stay in high radiation plus zero G that is unique. Testing radiation protection clothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 That's 15.2 B$ over 7 years, not per year. Sounds like Artemis should concentrate more on being a nationalistic program, and dump partners unwilling to actually participate. The countries in esa have a combined economy about like the US, so they should have a 20 B$/yr space program, not 1/10 of the US program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinimumSky5 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 There's no need yet for a space program, and I find it difficult to argue that it's a better use of money than a COVID-19 recovery fund. That's a subjective position obviously. I want to see all of us expand out into space, but not at the expense of groundside communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubinator Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, MinimumSky5 said: There's no need yet for a space program, and I find it difficult to argue that it's a better use of money than a COVID-19 recovery fund. That's a subjective position obviously. I want to see all of us expand out into space, but not at the expense of groundside communities. Except that a space program allows us to do critical virology and human immune system studies that tell us things we couldn't find out from the ground...not to mention all the earth-sensing equipment up there that lets us know how the biosphere is functioning as a whole - we'd be blind without those. Space travel has never been independent from our well-being on Earth or backwards from it. Everything we've done in human spaceflight has taught us how to live better wherever we are in the universe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 A recovery fund to the tune of a few billions is chump change. 15.2 billion a year (Not 7 years) is less than half of what NY city spends on public schools each year (34B$). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightside Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 17 hours ago, cubinator said: Except that a space program allows us to do critical virology and human immune system studies that tell us things we couldn't find out from the ground...not to mention all the earth-sensing equipment up there that lets us know how the biosphere is functioning as a whole - we'd be blind without those. Space travel has never been independent from our well-being on Earth or backwards from it. Everything we've done in human spaceflight has taught us how to live better wherever we are in the universe. But the Artemis program wouldn't provide any of that. Except possibly to serve as a petri dish if a crew becomes infected after departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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