K^2 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, tater said: This is a great overview. It mostly is, except, again, the way they're measuring mortality is a useless metric for comparison against SARS and others. People who are getting confirmed infections today aren't going to die or get better tomorrow. It takes time, in which the disease spreads dramatically, and so proportion of infected individuals is always going to be way higher than these who died. Looking at dead vs recovered is more sobering, with 171 vs 170 as of January 31st. Of course, that doesn't imply a 50% mortality rate either, but the true value is somewhere in between, on the order of 10%. I can't find the data I need to give a good enough estimate to say for sure if it's more or less deadly than SARS, but it's definitely in the ballpark with way faster spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, K^2 said: It mostly is, except, again, the way they're measuring mortality is a useless metric for comparison against SARS and others. People who are getting confirmed infections today aren't going to die or get better tomorrow. It takes time, in which the disease spreads dramatically, and so proportion of infected individuals is always going to be way higher than these who died. Looking at dead vs recovered is more sobering, with 171 vs 170 as of January 31st. Of course, that doesn't imply a 50% mortality rate either, but the true value is somewhere in between, on the order of 10%. I can't find the data I need to give a good enough estimate to say for sure if it's more or less deadly than SARS, but it's definitely in the ballpark with way faster spread. Early cases are always skewed towards worse, as well, since most people get something self-limiting, and never seek care. All the first cases are hospital admits. The number actually infected is far greater than the numbers quoted, since it's also flu season there, and millions have the flu (similar symptoms) and suck it up. Still, it's concerning, particularly given their awful history of reporting (I read that they hardly report any flu deaths per year, and it should be multiples of the US number (~50k). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 This is a great demonstration of how a leader should address this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadJohn Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/2/2020 at 7:56 PM, Dragon01 said: people in many cases show up just to get a slip of paper allowing them not to show up at work Yep, my employer has a generous leave allowance, but requires a doctor's note to use sick time. It's a poorly thought out policy - if I have an optical migraine (painless but seriously messes up my vision) I can't safely get myself to work *or* the doctor. I miss a day of work when ill and a 2nd day when I'm well enough to travel to get the doctor's note. I get paid for 2 sick days instead of 1, it wastes the doctor's time, and ultimately increases my employer's health insurance costs next policy year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Hot-cold, hot-cold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Just some music. Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I read yesterday at some point that this virus disproportionately affects older men. That's controlled for exposure, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 10 minutes ago, tater said: I read yesterday at some point that this virus disproportionately affects older men. That's controlled for exposure, etc. Men, due to certain genetic markers discussed earlier. Older, due to general frailty. Not really a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah, the elderly part is true for most viral illness, I hadn't remembered the male genetic markers when I read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 3 hours ago, tater said: Yeah, the elderly part is true for most viral illness, I hadn't remembered the male genetic markers when I read it. Ladies tend to have an better immune system, probably related to having babies. They also tend to live healthier lives, on the other hand they get more chronic illnesses. But yes most flu deaths are old and frail, you you are young and has weak health you are also in the risk group but this is much rarer so don't really show in statistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Yeah, young flu deaths in the Spanish Flu were largely because it was related to earlier flu strains that the older folks had some immunity to, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnemoe Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 21 hours ago, DeadJohn said: Yep, my employer has a generous leave allowance, but requires a doctor's note to use sick time. It's a poorly thought out policy - if I have an optical migraine (painless but seriously messes up my vision) I can't safely get myself to work *or* the doctor. I miss a day of work when ill and a 2nd day when I'm well enough to travel to get the doctor's note. I get paid for 2 sick days instead of 1, it wastes the doctor's time, and ultimately increases my employer's health insurance costs next policy year. In many countries inducing Norway, you can don't need an doctor slip for an limited numbers of times. Many abuses it but you should be very careful about posting stuff on social media during an "sick leave" if you use it for an extended weekend vacation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, tater said: Yeah, young flu deaths in the Spanish Flu were largely because it was related to earlier flu strains that the older folks had some immunity to, right? No, it's because the fatalities were primarily triggered by an immune system overreaction (cytokine storm). 21 minutes ago, magnemoe said: Ladies tend to have an better immune system, probably related to having babies. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full Quote We further compared the characteristics of the donors and their ACE2 expressing patterns. No association was detected between the ACE2-expressing cell number and the age or smoking status of donors. Of note, the 2 male donors have a higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than all other 6 female donors (1.66% vs. 0.41% of all cells, P value=0.07, Mann Whitney Test). In addition, the distribution of ACE2 is also more widespread in male donors than females: at least 5 different types of cells in male lung express this receptor, while only 2~4 types of cells in female lung express the receptor. This result is highly consistent with the epidemic investigation showing that most of the confirmed 2019-nCov infected patients were men (30 vs. 11, by Jan 2, 2020). We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tater Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, DDE said: No, it's because the fatalities were primarily triggered by an immune system overreaction (cytokine storm). That was going to be my alternate suggestion, didn't know the name for it. So young, fit people have a great immune response, but the immune response has its own risks, and bumps them off (super high fever kills virus, and organs, etc)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDE Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 52 minutes ago, tater said: That was going to be my alternate suggestion, didn't know the name for it. So young, fit people have a great immune response, but the immune response has its own risks, and bumps them off (super high fever kills virus, and organs, etc)? To the point where the Hispanic flu was far, far deadlier to young men than anyone else, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
έķ νίĻĻάίή Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 I live in China (Shanghai). Spoiler I'm actually in London right now, but that's because of coronavirus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Spoiler 2 hours ago, έķ νίĻĻάίή said: I live in China (Shanghai). Hide contents I'm actually in London right now, but that's because of coronavirus. "Coronavirus. Connecting people." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
έķ νίĻĻάίή Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Just now, kerbiloid said: "Coronavirus. Connecting people." Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Hell yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 So, that's ithttps://nypost.com/2020/02/16/chinese-bank-to-destroy-cash-in-areas-hit-by-coronavirus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotius Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Ouch! Straight in the pocket. Banks gonna love it And how many people in China use cards or phone payments? Probably most of the young generation, but elders will be in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) Cash is dirty. Less cash - less infection and inflation. Moar job for IT. Edited February 18, 2020 by kerbiloid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Listy Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Scotius said: Ouch! Straight in the pocket. Banks gonna love it And how many people in China use cards or phone payments? Probably most of the young generation, but elders will be in trouble. Mobile payment platforms are the norm in China, cash payments are a rarity in cities & increasingly in rural areas too: https://daxueconsulting.com/payment-methods-in-china/ It can make life tricky for western visitors who are used to cash or credit cards, and get stuck having to try to download an appropriate payment platform when they want to buy things from a shop after arriving. Mobile phone surfaces are also regarded as significant reservoirs of disease, so if Coronavirus can be transmitted via surface contact (I think the evidence is currently inconclusive), cashless payments might reduce, but not totally eliminate transmission risk. Edited February 18, 2020 by Listy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Speaking linux, mv cash_deposits /dev/null Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 3 hours ago, Scotius said: Ouch! Straight in the pocket. Banks gonna love it Do note that there is no actual money being destroyed (well, aside from the cost of the whole thing). Just cash, which will probably be reimbursed digitally. The mint is also printing new banknotes to prevent a shortage of banknotes. Replacing worn out or damaged banknotes happens all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerbiloid Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 50 minutes ago, Dragon01 said: probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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