Terrifying AI possibilities

[Vanamonde]

Move the discussion away from politics, please. That never ends well. 

[magnemoe]

On 9/30/2020 at 3:58 AM, Okhin said:

We already have the technology to create videos from scratch from anyone. Videos are very hard to rebuke cognitively, we all fall for them when we see them. In particular recontextualized videos, videos that relates an event which did happens but are used to demonstrate another event is happening, like those videos of crocodiles or sharks in submerged location used during each and every hurricane to make people believe there's actual shark and crocodiles lurking around the flooded town they live in. [snip]

Videos are hard to cognitively rebuke. Because they appeal to a lot of our senses, and also seems to require more work than, say, a picture or a text.

And deep fakes videos already exists. I mean.

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So, we already have expert system capable of generating real videos of things that did not happen. And our brains aren't equipped to work with that.

And we already have people exploiting those cognitive bias we have. Who needs AI when we have people ?

This is where I get lost on most of AI taking over the world. What's the story interest of it ? We already have people trying to take over the world, who needs AI for that ?

Also, if there's an AI taking over the world, I guess some weird stickers might be used as exploit against its cognitive systems and get access to execute arbitrary code on it. Which is harder to do with a human brain. There's no perfection in computer, there's only determinism and discretization (while we are non deterministic and analog).

Agree, now make an fake video with an serious budget and good luck debunking it, that is something with an budget of an tv commercial not some guy with an pc, an AI would just be an better pc, even with an sentinel AI, an team would work better as you have to look at all the details. 

Like the shadows shows that the time is off, the car with that licence plate was in for repair because an crash and was just released 3 days after the timestamp.

You can get away with spin, lots of rumors movie studios bought up empty seats in theaters for under performing movies just so audience did not see them as flops and see them in theater.
And this is old, an old joke probably older than TV, an cardinal visit New York because an new church or something, an tabloid journalist ask him: What do you plan to do visiting NY? visiting an strip club? Cardinal respond back with an joke: Is it strip clubs in NY? 
Tabloid headline next day: Is it strip clubs in NY!!!!!

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Edited October 11, 2020 by Vanamonde

[Guest]

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That's another problem with transparency. Most things that are actually important are classified, and it's also a good practice to classify a bunch of things that aren't really important, just so that classified status isn't an instant "important info!" flag for spies. It's easy to put a bodycam on important people for their daily lives (a relatively small step from the current state of affairs, anyway), but it would have to be off for stuff that matters and some extra smokescreen beyond that. As such, an increase in transparency would primarily involve celebrity exhibitionism, drowning important matters in superficial noise. At most, it could put a damper on backhanded deals, although more for psychological reasons. Of course, that's only last until a leader is elected who has the gall to do them even with a bodycam, and charisma to make people think it's a good thing.

In the end, AI might end up taking over by the simple virtue of people not caring anymore. 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Guest

[Okhin]

Well, anyone who wants to be in charge of a system that no one cares about can do so pretty easily.

Also, cameras, as many captor, are failible systems which can breaks. Or be oriented away from what's happening. Or simply be shut down. All of those excuses are very hard to differentiate when you look at the incident. You could check the logs, to try and see if there's a shutdown command issued at some points, but you would not be able to differentiate a disconnected / reconnected battery from a failure in the battery for instance. There's _always_ a way to temper with instruments. Always.

And tempering or an actual failure are hard to distinguish. Which helps people to hide their malicious intents. And detecting intent is one thing we suck at, and at which AI can't really be better than us. So I cannot really see how an AI, or anyone, could benefit from body cam on public figures. Or anyone else.

Palpatine would probably haven't change a thing. His body camera would have issues, and people would have issues around him when it happens, but linking the two of them would be the proof of a deranged and paranoid mind, who's after palpatine to destroy him because he's trying to do the right thing. And you should ask Padme why her camera shut down sometimes too, after all, she's crooked too.

See ? No change at all in Palpatine story

[kerbiloid]

1 hour ago, Okhin said:

Also, cameras, as many captor, are failible systems which can breaks. Or be oriented away from what's happening. Or simply be shut down

Moar cams. Connect all smartphones, TV sets, and fridges in a network to have a 24/7 video of every place from ten povs at once.
Put cams on the street lights to ensure there is somebody needing the light, and connect them as a seccam, too.
Put cams on every shop door to recognize and welcome the visitor, and do the same.

Edited October 10, 2020 by kerbiloid

[Okhin]

Wow, that would require a bump in infrastructure to transmit all that, have the CPU power needed to analyze it in real time (OK, in cold real time) and to store it. Even if it's just a temporary storage before being consolidated in neuron network. You'll need to store it somehow.

That's probably the biggest issue in the AI overlord scenarii. They would require an insane build up in infrastructure. Which requires humans to build and maintain it. Which requires some food and basic level of happiness (to maintain productivity), which you can probably generates through entertainment with creative directors and streaming website sending a bunch of similar media bits to people. But needs more infrastructure and more happy people.

Now that I think of it, maybe we _already_ ave an AI overlord hidden somewhere inside the silicon valley, pushing decision making for 5g deployment, pushing for streaming services for everyone, pushing for the creation of crazy big datacenters, pushing for the exploitation of countries for their rare earth and cheap menial workforce, selling us devices to serve us and spy on us.

Or maybe we just have a bunch of greedy people seizing the power for themselves.

I don't even know how to differentiate the two possibilities from one another now.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Okhin said:

Or maybe we just have a bunch of greedy people seizing the power for themselves.

It's a bunch of greedy people looking to make a buck. Nothing more. Although money can (and does) simply buy power, so I suppose it's one and the same, really.

That sort of networking is already happening. Google and/or Facebook are all over peoples' devices, watching them, even tracking their movements with radars (IIRC, Pixel does that to support hand gestures). Soon, they will recognize when you do something, for example sit down for dinner, automatically take a picture of your food, and upload that to social media. The fridge will film everything around it, and serve you ads for products you put into it, and, as a convenience, will upload a video of your cat whenever it does something funny around the kitchen. You'll be able to keep your social media "friends" updated on every meaningless detail of your life, all while getting ads that are more relevant to you (and at some point, probably tailored to your psychological profile). And if you don't want to share every moment of your life with a bunch of "friends", you'll be considered a closed-up weirdo.

That's what AIs are and will be used for. They're expensive, so they have to work for themselves. No matter how sophisticated, I suspect that for a long time, AIs will have one, singular purpose in mind: making money for their creators. 

[Vanamonde]

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