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OhioBob

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On 12/29/2024 at 11:37 AM, klyith said:

Ok, but why? I can see the reason for Kopernicus saying to keep them the same -- the stock planets are probably set that way, because you're fading between the two systems.

And doing it that way makes your planets look bad with Parallax, which I think most people want to have these days. So even if it looks slightly better in the otherwise-stock game, it looks crappy in the modset that pretty much everyone uses.

The ScaledVersion fades are the range over which the ScaledVersion texture fades in, the the PQS fades are the range over which the PQS fades out.  Since the PQS renders over the top of the ScaledVersion, the idea is that we want the ScaledVersion to be fully fading in before we start to fade out the PQS.  The fades for the stock planets are inconsistent, but many do it just as I described.  For instance, Laythe uses:

ScaledVersion/fadeStart =  55000
ScaledVersion/fadeEnd =  60000
PQS/fadeStart = 60000
PQS/fadeEnd = 120000
PQS/deactivateAltitude = 160000

As for Parallax, JNSQ wasn't designed for it, so no consideration was made for Parallax when setting the fade altitudes.  I don't know anything about Parallax, but it seems like a poor design if it looks bad when used with a planet pack that sets its fades in the way that virtually everyone that makes planet packs is taught to do it.
 

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cheriyu

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still experiencing scatterer bugs even with this mod installed, ive followed the instructions so i cant tell if im missing something and stupid or if my install is bugged

if anyone has a fix it would be much appreciated

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Been playing around with this - loving it so far!

 Quick question - besides supporting the paid versions of Scatterer and EVE, what’s the difference between this mod and the old Ad Astra visual pack?

 I used that way back when and was considering going in there and trying to salvage some textures 

 

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On 12/29/2024 at 11:51 AM, OhioBob said:

As for Parallax, JNSQ wasn't designed for it, so no consideration was made for Parallax when setting the fade altitudes.  I don't know anything about Parallax, but it seems like a poor design if it looks bad when used with a planet pack that sets its fades in the way that virtually everyone that makes planet packs is taught to do it.
 

After a lot more experimenting, and a whole lot of waiting for load times, I think I have a decent answer. You're definitely right about the fade stuff -- seeing a sunflare through the planet isn't ideal!

It's a combination of parallax being tuned for stock scale, and the person who did the JNSQ patches for Parallax not doing anything to help things. I was focused too much on JNSQ because I used to play at 2.5x Rescale, and it was pretty much just like stock fo Parallax. So I figured it had to be a JNSQ thing that was "wrong". But the way rescale works seems to automatically rescale the Parallax maps as well.

 

So anyways, here's my results for making things look better:
#1 is to rescale parallax textures larger, which I think looks better all around (not so crisp and bumpy, can't see the repeating tiles) 

// rescale parallax
@Parallax:FINAL
{
    @Body[Kerbin]
    {
        @Textures
        {
            @_SurfaceTextureScale = 2.5

            @_displacement_scale = 0.39
            @_displacement_offset = 0.09
        }
    }
}

#2 is to shift the PQS fade to a spot that matches when Parallax is less prominent. I have two options:

a: this is what I'm using 

@Kopernicus:FINAL
{
    @Body[Kerbin]
    {
        @ScaledVersion
        {
            %fadeStart = 70000
            %fadeEnd =   80000
        }
        @PQS
        {
            %fadeStart = 77000
            %fadeEnd =   88000
        }
    }
}

b: This looks better in orbit, but my GPU (6700XT) can't handle it. Clouds stay high-detail until you get out of PQS, and looking down at Kerbin from 125km was pushing me under 30fps. If you have a good GPU use this. 

@Kopernicus:FINAL
{
    @Body[Kerbin]
    {
		@ScaledVersion
		{
			%fadeStart = 100000
			%fadeEnd = 110000
		}
		@PQS
		{
			%fadeStart = 110000
			%fadeEnd = 130000
			%deactivateAltitude = 135000
		}
	}
}

 

Both of these use :FINAL which is not good practice normally, if anyone else picks this up to incorporate into some mod patch.

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On 1/20/2025 at 7:14 PM, adriangm44 said:

Did you fix this problem? I can't get it to work on Jool. Every other planet seems fine.

I did, I just had to go through the Volumetrics files and rename all the references to Jool to Jool2

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30 minutes ago, TaintedLion said:

I did, I just had to go through the Volumetrics files and rename all the references to Jool to Jool2

Hahahaha this is funny, cause I found the fault too and I renamed all Jool2 references to Jool in JNSQ instead :joy:

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1 hour ago, TaintedLion said:

I did, I just had to go through the Volumetrics files and rename all the references to Jool to Jool2

 

56 minutes ago, adriangm44 said:

Hahahaha this is funny, cause I found the fault too and I renamed all Jool2 references to Jool in JNSQ instead :joy:

Bigendian / Littlendian wars commence! (I refer, of course, to Jonathan Swift's original egg-related Bigendian/Littlendian wars, not the CPU bit-order conventions.)

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Guest

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Can someone give me more info on the Jool issue? I haven't been able to recreate it, for me the clouds always work.

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On 1/25/2025 at 5:25 PM, TaintedLion said:

I did, I just had to go through the Volumetrics files and rename all the references to Jool to Jool2

On 1/20/2025 at 8:14 PM, adriangm44 said:

Did you fix this problem? I can't get it to work on Jool. Every other planet seems fine.

Did you guys download JNSQ from the github repository directly?
The version you get from CKAN and the Releases tab doesn't have this change; Jool is still Jool internally, not Jool2
I'm gonna publish an update soon to fix this

Edit: v3.1.0 fixes the jool issue

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On 2/6/2025 at 5:37 PM, rbeap said:

Did you guys download JNSQ from the github repository directly?
The version you get from CKAN and the Releases tab doesn't have this change; Jool is still Jool internally, not Jool2
I'm gonna publish an update soon to fix this

Edit: v3.1.0 fixes the jool issue

Yes, that's exactly what's happening. 

JNSQ stopped uploading new versions since 2021. New updates are only available through the master repository on GitHub.

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Hi,

both of the mod downloads (SpaceDock, and Github) say the mod page was removed or something. I was trying both the links on the OP of this topic. Seems like OPs github is gone? It's not on CKAN either, I thought maybe the mod was just down for like an update last night but I think it's been down for 24 hours now. I picked the worst time to completely reinstall all my mods lol

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On 2/10/2025 at 9:02 PM, tendi3us said:

Hi,

both of the mod downloads (SpaceDock, and Github) say the mod page was removed or something. I was trying both the links on the OP of this topic. Seems like OPs github is gone? It's not on CKAN either, I thought maybe the mod was just down for like an update last night but I think it's been down for 24 hours now. I picked the worst time to completely reinstall all my mods lol

Same. Both download links lead to 404. They may have removed the mod for personal reasons. Only time will tell if they return?

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EritoKaio

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Yeah I was just experimenting with different systems the other day and I decided to give JNSQ a try and literally the day of, this was nuked. Quite annoying. I don't see what the point of it is, even I kept my old stuff up even though I discontinued my mod because there's no gain from just erasing it lol. I instead just went back to using some very old Sigma configs to rescale stock, whatever.

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46 minutes ago, Iapetus7342 said:

Anybody know the license?

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