[1.0.5] FASA 5.44

[CaptRobau]

yes I added a 5 segment Titan SRB, a little smaller for lighter loads.

Always thought the first one was a 5 segment Titan SRB. Never counted that it was actually 6. The UA1205 (aka 5 segments) was the one used for Titan 3C, D and E. The 6 segment booster was only used for the Titan 34D. A 7 segment booster was used for Titan 3M (MOL launcher) and the Titan 4.

[Guest]

Well, I thought that a the first one was supposed to be a 5-segment, because in truth, they're 5-1/2 segment, and there's a structural bit on top that makes it look like it has 6 segments. That doesn't matter though, I suppose that "extra segment" could be added as a SAS module or something. It looks different from the others.

[NathanKell]

Transtage: 12.247 tons wet, 1.95t dry, 71.17kN thrust @ 311s Isp

Centaur D (used with Titan IIIE): 16.258t wet, 2.631t dry, 131.22kN thrust @ 444s Isp

Note that Transtage is not a type of stage, but a name for one, like Centaur or IUS or Altair.

It was, however, designed by Martin Marietta (manufacturer of the Titan) only for the Titan, and is thus sometimes called the Titan Transtage.

Both it and the Centaur were planned for use in Circumlunar Gemini missions. With the Transtage, they would launch a lunar flyby Gemini spacecraft atop a Titan IIIC (or M?) with a Transtage upper stage, but the Titan III-2 stage would handle insertion. They would also launch a second Titan III with no payload, just a Transtage with a docking adapter. Gemini would dock to the second Transtage. Combined, the two Transtages would be enough for TLI.

The high energy Centaur was sufficient for TLI on its own, but again EOR profile would be needed; Gemini would be launched by itself on a Titan II GLV, and then dock to a Centaur launched by something else (IIIM-Centaur perhaps?). This would require a similar docking adapter for the Centaur's nose as the second Transtage needed.

Now, after that does of realism pedantry, gotta say I nonetheless love the paintjob. Especially since Gemini was proposed as a lunar lifeboat for Apollo.

EDIT: Oh, and yes, the prior 6-segment-looking SRM is indeed correct for the IIIC's five segment UA1205. One segment isn't really a solid fuel segment.

This one works as a UA1204, which they were going to use for Dynasoar launchers IIRC.

[CAPFlyer]

The designation system for the SRB's was pretty straight forward the first 3 digits are the diameter (120 inch) and the 4th number is the number of fuel segments.

Also, I just realized that I missed something major on the Atlas launcher.

The Rocket is a "1.5" stage to orbit launcher. The Sustainer (middle) engine stays with the launcher all the way to orbit (233 second burn). The boost engines shutdown and are jettisoned after 173 seconds of flight. The current adapter jettisons all 3 engines and has a solid top unless I'm putting it together wrong.

[Guest]

You are putting it together wrong. Why would it jettison all 3 engines anyway? Anyway, put the sustainer on first, then the Atlas adapter, then the booster engines. Oh, and booster jettison is at 135s, your figure is for later Atlas versions.

EDIT: Oh, and yes, the prior 6-segment-looking SRM is indeed correct for the IIIC's five segment UA1205. One segment isn't really a solid fuel segment.

This one works as a UA1204, which they were going to use for Dynasoar launchers IIRC.

Well, I think that if we had a non-fuel structural segment (SRM avionics, sep motors, whatever), the boosters sizes would be right. UA1204 wouldn't really see much use, except maybe for Dynasoar (and even then, it'd not be required). Perhaps it could be made as a special nosecone with a cylindrical section below.

Edited December 10, 2013 by Guest

[little square dot]

frizzank, you outdo yourself every time man.

Mods come and go quickly with me, but this one's definitely in it for the long-haul.

I was tickled pink to see the Big G, and even pinkerer to see this rescue variant. An uber-nifty and unexpected boon to my arsenal, mwuaha...

Much appreciated mate.

[frizzank]

The Rocket is a "1.5" stage to orbit launcher. The Sustainer (middle) engine stays with the launcher all the way to orbit (233 second burn). The boost engines shutdown and are jettisoned after 173 seconds of flight. The current adapter jettisons all 3 engines and has a solid top unless I'm putting it together wrong.

You put it together wrong. Do to the fact that it jettisons first and then main engine shoots through the hole in the middle you have to put it on after the sustainer engine. I know it's somewhat weird but its the only way I could get it to work reliably, and a small price to pay for a unique fairing.

So like this.

Fuel tank>Sustainer>Atlas Fairing> Bosters.

Oh, and yes, the prior 6-segment-looking SRM is indeed correct for the IIIC's five segment UA1205. One segment isn't really a solid fuel segment.

This one works as a UA1204, which they were going to use for Dynasoar launchers IIRC.

I see now where I got confused.

Also my mod parts will not go past September 5, 1977( Titan IIIE - last Voyager launch).

I will however, help others create variants made after that date based on my parts if they wish. Its just the box I want to stay in.

Edited December 11, 2013 by frizzank

[Guest]

I took the Mercury Atlas for a spin, and this is the look I got when I did the turn around to track the booster after separation.

You can see some gorgeous things while looking out a little window.

[little square dot]

^^the first one is real purdy^^

[Bloodbunny]

Can't wait for Agena.. though I made a decent stand in for the interim

[sirkut]

My god I love the white texture!!!

[ethan829]

Just wondering, did you keep both Mercury Cap decouplers in the pack on purpose?

[Bloodbunny]

Just wondering, did you keep both Mercury Cap decouplers in the pack on purpose?

I would imagine so, as the new cap doesn't fit well with the Mk 1 pod, a few purists may want to keep it Kerbal with the stock pod

[frizzank]

Just wondering, did you keep both Mercury Cap decouplers in the pack on purpose?

I didnt want to just delete it, I knew people were probably using it. I did find another use for it though, as an adaptor for .625m parts from the top of the mercury and MK1 pod. It fits on both the MK1 and the Mercury.

Added White version of Big G, IIIe white Version for SRB, Old one now has the checker from IIIc. Added rescue flag.

Modified the first Murcury cap I did, It now serves as an adaptor to .625m parts

Added more weight to Big G and fixed its drag so it comes down butt first now.

Edited December 11, 2013 by frizzank

[Guest]

Awesome texture. Also, is that Titan-launched Big G SM? Or just a fuel tank?

[wasmic]

Modified the first Murcury cap I did,

If you just look at that part of the sentence, it sounds really yoda.

[ultrasquid]

The current version appears to be interfering with the saved ship loading function, in that when I have FASA installed in my GameData folder, and I click on the folder icon in the VAB to load a saved ship, nothing happens, whereas without FASA installed I click on the folder icon and the list of saved ship files appears.

I don't know how to analyse the files for an error that might cause this behavior, but I was able to isolate it to the FASA package. I'm on a Mac if that makes a difference in this case.

[CaptRobau]

This one works as a UA1204, which they were going to use for Dynasoar launchers IIRC.

I've only seen the Titan IIIC mentioned as the launcher for the orbital version of the Dynasoar, which is two UA1205 boosters, a dual LR-87 for the first stage, a LR-91 for the second stage and a Transtage as the third stage. Only reference to UA1204 boosters is that they could be used for the Saturn II.

[frizzank]

The current version appears to be interfering with the saved ship loading function, in that when I have FASA installed in my GameData folder, and I click on the folder icon in the VAB to load a saved ship, nothing happens, whereas without FASA installed I click on the folder icon and the list of saved ship files appears.

I get this error in windows but it is linked to switching from full-screen to windowed mode. I don't have a mac so I cant test it.

I don't know if there is some weirdness with installing on mac, but double check that everything got put in the right place. http://forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/threads/40814-How-to-install-mods-on-Mac-OS-X.

Did you remove the old version of FASA before installing the new one?

There is a Log file in the main KSP directory. Did any FASA parts give errors?

[ultrasquid]

This last time I put in a fresh install of FASA 3.12, after removing the old FASA folder. This time saved craft loading worked, but I had a crash between scene changes. Something is afoot, but I'm not 100% sure it's your mod anymore.

I couldn't see any sign of faulty parts in the log file, but I don't really know what I should be looking for

[NathanKell]

I've only seen the Titan IIIC mentioned as the launcher for the orbital version of the Dynasoar, which is two UA1205 boosters, a dual LR-87 for the first stage, a LR-91 for the second stage and a Transtage as the third stage. Only reference to UA1204 boosters is that they could be used for the Saturn II.

Based off this site: http://alternatewars.com/BBOW/Boosters/Titan/Titan_III.htm

[CaptRobau]

I looked at the PDF that's based on (wonderful read btw) and it looks to be that the UA1204 boosters were part of the launcher that did some of the early missions. There were to be sub-orbital missions (using a Titan I or Titan II) and increasingly capable orbital missions. The UA1204s were part of the launcher for the early orbital missions (as it was less complex). Once they got the hang of it, they'd upgrade the launcher with UA1205s to provide higher orbits/larger payloads.

[frizzank]

I couldn't see any sign of faulty parts in the log file, but I don't really know what I should be looking for

Most of it will work correctly, your looking for error messages like can not find or can not load, as well as missing then some part.

[Kerbal01]

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emmisive? Im guessing you mean thrust. The Current Centaur-Transtage is at 500 thrust. I personally think its a little overpowered but it works well when used as an upper stage booster so I haven't changed it. Im guessing the Centaur was a bit more powerful than the Tran stage, so I would guess and say 550 or 600?

By emissive I meant what the engine exhaust looks like, sorry for not knowing the word properly

[CAPFlyer]

You are putting it together wrong. Why would it jettison all 3 engines anyway? Anyway, put the sustainer on first, then the Atlas adapter, then the booster engines. Oh, and booster jettison is at 135s, your figure is for later Atlas versions.

That's what I thought was weird. I tried putting on the sustainer then the fairing but for some reason I couldn't get it to attach. Maybe it's just something funky on my save. I'll re-install it and see if anything changes.