[1.0.5] FASA 5.44

[MaverickSawyer]

Juno was an IRBM that replaced the Redstone. Jupiter-C was derived from the Redstone, and is the one we'd be using with Explorer 1. By the way, the upper stage engines are the same as the one attached to Explorer, so you can reuse parts of the model for that.

[tmikesecrist3]

I thought the red stone was a single stange? titon was what 2 stage? use I know I could use fasa builds but I kild of like building my own space craft

[DasBananenbrot]

Juno was an IRBM that replaced the Redstone. Jupiter-C was derived from the Redstone, and is the one we'd be using with Explorer 1. By the way, the upper stage engines are the same as the one attached to Explorer, so you can reuse parts of the model for that.

Well as far as I know the PGM-11 Redstone was the first rocket of the Restone Rocket Family. From that they derived variants called Jupiter-A and the Jupiter-C (I want to know why the jumped the B xD) for tests. Then they made a rocket directly derivated from the Jupiter-C which was called Juno I, the Explorer Satellite Launch Vehicle

[Deltac]

juno that became the redstone or was it the atles didnt it?

I don't understand what you just said, but I'll try to answer your question:

The Juno I rocket was built on the Redstone rocket. The "Juno upper-stage" Frizzank is referring to is better known as the MGM-29 Sergeant cluster. They took that cluster, and put it on top of a Redstone (stretched). The Redstone itself was stage 1, then stage 2 was 11 solid rockets in that cluster, then stage 3 was 3 solid rockets, and then fourth and final stage was just 1 solid rocket. What you're looking at in that picture are 3 stages in 1, not 1 upper-stage

The Redstone was already conceived by the time Juno was conceived. Atlas was developed on it's own by General Dynamics' Convair (the ICBM and Mercury Atlas), while the Redstone family was designed by the Air Force and manufactured by Chrysler. There was also a Juno II which was developed from the Jupiter Medium Range Ballistic Missile, which was an evolution of the Redstone family, but not a Redstone Rocket. There were other Jupiter rockets in the Redstone family, but they were used for testing components for the Jupiter Missile.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redstone_%28rocket_family%29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PGM-19_Jupiter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlas_rocket

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGM-29_Sergeant

And to answer your first post (DOUBLE POSTING IS BAD), the Kerbolar system is 64% of the Solar System's scale. The Mun is indeed closer to Kerbin than the Moon is to Earth. Kerbin is indeed smaller than Earth. In fact, Jool is said to be the size Earth is (source?). So yeah, Kerbal Space Program is Space on easy mode. There are mods to scale everything up if you want hard mode.

Got ninja'd on the next page. It's the next page for me cause lookatmysig.

[tmikesecrist3]

where any of thouse redstone to juno malti stage?.... ok I juess you Answered that... and i have tought about playing with the real solor system mod... it just seemed when I tryed that I could not even get a red stone into sub orbert for some reasion....when I know allen shepered road a mercury redstone to about 100 miles above the earth.... that must have been amazing to see....

Edited January 9, 2014 by tmikesecrist3

[Deltac]

Juno was an IRBM that replaced the Redstone. Jupiter-C was derived from the Redstone, and is the one we'd be using with Explorer 1. By the way, the upper stage engines are the same as the one attached to Explorer, so you can reuse parts of the model for that.

Take a look at my post above this, and you'll see that the Juno I was the one that launched Explorer 1. By what I'm looking at, there were no IRBM's developed from the Redstone family. Just one short range surface-to-surface ballistic missile, unless IRBM means SRBM, which it doesn't.

Edited January 9, 2014 by Deltac

[DasBananenbrot]

Redstone was a single stage rocket but Juno I had upper stages The picture frizzank posted earlier is the second stage of the Juno I with a cluster of eleven MGM 29 rockets. Followed by another upper stage with three MGM 29's and finally another single as last stage MGM 29

Edited January 9, 2014 by DasBananenbrot
Corrections :D

[DasBananenbrot]

Take a look at my post above this, and you'll see that the Juno I was the one that launched Explorer 1. By what I'm looking at, there were no IRBM's developed from the Redstone family. Just one short range surface-to-surface ballistic missile, unless IRBM means SRBM, which it doesn't.

You are totally right but actually Juno I was still an Jupiter C, it only got a nice new name for the Explorer Lauchn. Even in some NASA informations papers telling about Explorer, the rocket is reffered to as Jupiter-C

[MaverickSawyer]

Ugh... that's what I get for posting without totally waking up...

Well, there is a SLIGHT difference between Jupiter-C and Juno I vehicles: the direction that the payload is aimed. Jupiter-C was used to test ICBM reentry vehicle materials, and although Von Braun said that he could put something into orbit, the President said "no" due to uncertainty as to how the Soviets would react. After Sputnik 1, however, there was a LOT more support for that. So, a quick rename of the rocket and changing of the payloads, and away we go into the history books.

[Guest]

Actually, Juno I consisted of a Jupiter-C with an additional "Baby Sergeant" rocket motor as a 4th stage. Now, with Explorer I (and subsequent ones, too), this motor remained attached to the satellite. You could argue that it was therefore a Jupiter-C, and the motor was part of a payload. However most sources call it Juno-I and refer to it as 4 stage, so I prefer this designation.

[DasBananenbrot]

Actually, Juno I consisted of a Jupiter-C with an additional "Baby Sergeant" rocket motor as a 4th stage. Now, with Explorer I (and subsequent ones, too), this motor remained attached to the satellite. You could argue that it was therefore a Jupiter-C, and the motor was part of a payload. However most sources call it Juno-I and refer to it as 4 stage, so I prefer this designation.

Yeah I like that designation better too as it , prevents confusion

Edited January 9, 2014 by DasBananenbrot

[MaverickSawyer]

ANYhow, seeing as we're straying from FASA...

Please do carry on with that Explorer part. The question becomes, where would it go on the tech tree?

[tmikesecrist3]

I would guess early... infact he might want to move the mercury pod to the 2nd tech after the the start on the tech tree... I do in a why wish there was to do un maned test lanches with the capsules

[frizzank]

So... Super Secrete Part time...

Before all of us vomit everything in our brains on our keyboards THIS IS ONLY A PROTOTYPE!!! This is not the final model, I am only using it to test its functionality.

I have had this Idea floating in my head for a while and I finally got around to figuring everything out and get it working. It scales correctly, it attaches to your rocket in a way you would expect, it animates on staging, and it spits out Kerbals.

I am also going to make a clamp that fits on the bottom of your rocket. A 1.25m one for Redstone and a 2.5m one for Atlas and Gemini. This should make launching things a bit easier at the start and less cluttered looking on the pad.

Kerbals are loaded in the launch tower in the astronaut complex before launch. Then at the launch pad are EVA'ed out an elevator at the top of the tower.

Loading your kerbals

EVA them from the tower for transfer to your ship.

And it also animates. The walkway will retract and not swing, probably. This was just an easier animation for testing.

[RoboRay]

Frizzank, are you planning adding Deadly Reentry compability to Mercury and Gemini capsules? It would be sweet - right now stacking additional heatshields beneath the pods looks kinda silly

I don't have any trouble with Deadly Reentry using the existing Mercury and Gemini capsules without heatshields. Are you diving straight down into the atmosphere?

Edited January 9, 2014 by RoboRay

[Guest]

Wow. Talk about neat. I love the new pad hardware.

RoboRay: He wouldn't have trouble too if he was diving straight down. I'd rather say, his entry angles are too shallow.

[tmikesecrist3]

I had some issues my self I never figered it out I am not useing eather it or Ferram right now though I would like might do it again after i figer it out?

I do like the new launch pad idea it looks good in the pic's I dont know what you where worried about unless its a case that we are each our own worse critic..

[frizzank]

I have had a lot of issues with "That isn't what they used in real life"

[MaverickSawyer]

My God... It's beautiful!

I think this should also be released as a standalone part... the demand for it will be HUGE!

However, how would you deal with having a crew of, say, 7?

[tmikesecrist3]

well I think it should not be a problem to scall it up... I dont see much of an issue there...

[frizzank]

I was going to post a video but I'm lazy. Eventually I will make a tutorial about how I did it.

http://www./download/sjr52a3zum7dbsn/FASA_Launch_Tower.zip

[DasBananenbrot]

was the thrust for the Gemini LES reduced? because its no longer powerful enough to get away from the rocket even if its still on the ground

AFAIK There isn't even an Gemini LES O.o The real Gemini didn't had one due to weight issues. There is one for the Mercury but that surely won't lift a Gemini capsule

[DasBananenbrot]

I was going to post a video but I'm lazy. Eventually I will make a tutorial about how I did it.

http://www./download/sjr52a3zum7dbsn/FASA_Launch_Tower.zip

http://i.imgur.com/G1ol3Gs.jpg

OMG it is a download. I always wanted a part like this. You are absolutely awesome

[wasmic]

the Kerbolar system is 64% of the Solar System's scale.

Not entirely true. While the 2.5m command pod is 64% of the Apollo command pod, the planets are actually 10% the size of their real life counterparts, so it's actually even more easy-mode.

[MedievalNerd]

I made a ****ty Explorer 1 statellite, for my RPL tech tree pack.

Be amazed by the resized nosecones! lol