Raven. Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 So nobody knows what and if his working on it. Its a shame, but having a currently inactive YouTube channel with 42k subs, with many regularly spamming me for content, I surely do understand and respect his situation.Has anyone else who is more mod accustomed then me, compiled a fix list though? Surely the great minds of this community has self updated most things Already done my friend, already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sokar408 Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Already done my friend, already done. Magnificent! *bows humbly* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraph Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 (edited) If I don't have Interstellar, but my sabres overheat at ridiculously high rate, what might be the reason? It's kinda frustrating to see them simply blow up every time I open the throttle...Edit so that no one can accuse me of being non-specific I'm using the S2 rear hull part (the one with two 2,5m hardpoints on the sides) to install two large Sabres, plus a bunch of smaller engines along the wings to create enough thrust to make my plane rise. Intake air is provided with Sabre intakes for the smaller engines and one intake hull adapter for the large ones. Small engines run smoothly, but the larger ones start overheating at around 10s after firing. I've installed precoolers to the large engines, which slows the overheat down, but I was unable to determine whether the engines would explode, as the plane starts wobbling and crashes (apparently14 wheels for 150 t aircraft is not enough, even with the fix...) Edited February 5, 2014 by Astraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madadam Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I apologize, I sort of just figure everyone is used to these things by now. I'll put up a downloadable version for those who want it here.In case anyone is interested, the problem with the gear is the mass is too low, causing a weak connection between it and other parts. The stock gear is .5, whereas Bac9 used ~.1 which explains why the stock gear doesn't get weak in the knees as easily. Struts don't seem to have an impact on this either, so as far as I can tell this is the best fix for it. The patch simply changes all of the landing gear to have a mass to match the stock gear.Hyomoto, I'm 100% sure, but don't think the mass has anything to do with the woblyness. That can be fixed by modifying the sidewaysStiffness parameter which was suggested by someone couple of posts above. This is a module manager config that worked for me:@PART[B9_*_Landing_Gear_*]{ @mass = 0.5 @MODULE[FSwheel] { @sidewaysStiffness = 0.01 }}I left the mass hack in, just in case. I'll test it later to see if it is really necessary.Tested on this monster. Works beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerpDerpson Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sabre engines don't seem to function at all for me. Am I missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltac Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sabre engines don't seem to function at all for me. Am I missing something?You're missing "read the posts before yours." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Tech Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 [stuff]Tested on this monster. Works beautifully.http://imgur.com/BQF619p.jpgThat plane is gorgeous! Are those the KW external liquid fuel tanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koksny Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 If I don't have Interstellar, but my sabres overheat at ridiculously high rate, what might be the reason? It's kinda frustrating to see them simply blow up every time I open the throttle...Edit so that no one can accuse me of being non-specific I'm using the S2 rear hull part (the one with two 2,5m hardpoints on the sides) to install two large Sabres, plus a bunch of smaller engines along the wings to create enough thrust to make my plane rise. Intake air is provided with Sabre intakes for the smaller engines and one intake hull adapter for the large ones. Small engines run smoothly, but the larger ones start overheating at around 10s after firing. I've installed precoolers to the large engines, which slows the overheat down, but I was unable to determine whether the engines would explode, as the plane starts wobbling and crashes (apparently14 wheels for 150 t aircraft is not enough, even with the fix...) If you installed precoolers correctly (next to EVERY air intake input, not only the Sabre ones, since air temperature will be very high in all of them) there shouldn't be an issue. Check the status of precoolers in flight, they all must be active. Anyway strange to see problem without Interstellar. Are you sure it's not other mod conflict? Did you updated Firespitter and Kinetech plugins?To be honest, i dont remember any issues with temperature on stock B9. Precoolers (stock and B9) without KSPI doesn't do jack. And they don't need to. Fix the wheels with config setup posted 2 pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector_919 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Something I want to ask bac9 for the next KSP update would be to first release a version update of the current version of B9 and then add the new parts which would improve two things:1.: after the KSP-version works and is released he would only need to worry about the new parts when bubfixing the B9-update-version2.: we would save ourselves about 20 pages of Forum thread posts of "the old version doesn't work with my new KSP"-complaints after each KSP update...and last but not least something regarding the "Bac9 is lazy"-post I've seen a few pages ago: If it isn't that hard, you're free to do it for Bac9 if you want it that much. If you can't/don't want to: shut the f**k up.I'll wait for Bac9 to do it his way.sorry for swearingHector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs1 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Hyomoto, your fix didn't work at all for me. This is my config, is it installed right?http://imgur.com/4bJlNZhtry@PART[b9_Utility_Landing_Gear_*]{ @mass=0.5} Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraph Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 OK, the issue might be I installed precoolers just before the engines, not after the intakes. I'll test the new design tommorow, many thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das forscher Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry if this has been addressed before: I just downloaded this mod, but I'm unable to install it because the .zip for 4.0c on the spaceport appears to be broken somehow. I've tried downloading it twice and haven't been able to open or unzip the archive. Anybody else have this problem/know how to fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyHook Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) EDIT: I am working on it with Ferram. Edited February 7, 2014 by SkyHook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyomoto Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Hyomoto, I'm 100% sure, but don't think the mass has anything to do with the woblyness. That can be fixed by modifying the sidewaysStiffness parameter which was suggested by someone couple of posts above. I only understand the basic idea of KSP joint structure. What I can say for certain is I used to hate Bac9's gear with a flamboyant passion as they danced beneath me and caused so many wrecks I'd like to scream. Changing the mass worked, the craft I couldn't get to take off for this issue work now. They hold as well as the normal gear, I simply did a 1-to-1 comparison of stats. However, I will concede to the various groups with better knowledge than myself, after all, the only thing better than a single-point fix is a multi-point fix!By the way, if the fix isn't working for anyone, make sure to check if the mass is indeed changed in game. The question is, is the patch not being applied, or is the mass not having an effect. For the latter you can try the sideways stiffness fix that was also posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntiMatter001 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I only understand the basic idea of KSP joint structure. What I can say for certain is I used to hate Bac9's gear with a flamboyant passion as they danced beneath me and caused so many wrecks I'd like to scream. Changing the mass worked, the craft I couldn't get to take off for this issue work now. They hold as well as the normal gear, I simply did a 1-to-1 comparison of stats. However, I will concede to the various groups with better knowledge than myself, after all, the only thing better than a single-point fix is a multi-point fix!By the way, if the fix isn't working for anyone, make sure to check if the mass is indeed changed in game. The question is, is the patch not being applied, or is the mass not having an effect. For the latter you can try the sideways stiffness fix that was also posted.or when all else fails... DO BOTH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madadam Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I only understand the basic idea of KSP joint structure. What I can say for certain is I used to hate Bac9's gear with a flamboyant passion as they danced beneath me and caused so many wrecks I'd like to scream. Changing the mass worked, the craft I couldn't get to take off for this issue work now. They hold as well as the normal gear, I simply did a 1-to-1 comparison of stats. However, I will concede to the various groups with better knowledge than myself, after all, the only thing better than a single-point fix is a multi-point fix!By the way, if the fix isn't working for anyone, make sure to check if the mass is indeed changed in game. The question is, is the patch not being applied, or is the mass not having an effect. For the latter you can try the sideways stiffness fix that was also posted.I can only speak from my own experience, but I know for sure that changing only the mass did not have any effect for me. Adjusting the sidewaysStiffness (whatever it may be) worked though. I'd say the safest thing to do is to adjust both parameters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector_919 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 (edited) If i may present my theory of wobblyness of the B9 gears:KSP (and post-school physics) calculates movement by newtons law (acceleration = accelerating force/mass) and rotation in a similar way (angular acceleration = torque/moment of inertia). The moment of inertia of a pendulum is (pendulum mass) times (pendulum length)², and since we're only looking at rotation along one axis, we can use the pendulum as an approximation for the B9 gear - this may even be the way KSP calculates it.If you now look at the weigth of the stock gear (0.5 tons) and the B9 gear (~0.1 tons), we notice that the stock gears mass is much lower, and if Bac9 didn't set the 'pendulum length' to a value high enough, the moment of inertia of the B9 wheels will come out to be extremely low, resulting in minimal torque causing maximal angular acceleration.This also explains why struts won't stabilize the B9 gear as much as desired: the force applied to the Gear by struts is (probably - as I suspect) calculated using the current strut strain - which is zero at the time the Gear is still behaving normal, but as soon as the gear starts wobbling, it deflects by up to 45 degrees within a single frame - and as the struts dont do anything until then, the wobbling has already begun and the struts only add more chaotic torque.Given that this theory of wobblyness is correct, the solution to the gear wobbling problem would be to increase the moment of inertia of the B9 Gears to one similar or higher than the stock gears.If the 'SidewaysStiffness' is somehow connected to the moment of inertia, the fix has already been found. If not - who knows where the moments of inertia are set?However, that's only my idea - are there other theories out there? please let me/us know if you have one.gretingsHector Edited February 7, 2014 by Hector_919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madadam Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Hector_919, yout theory seems plausible. Moment of inertia includes mass term, so that would explain why increasing the mass helps. One explanation why it didn't work for me is that I'm also using Kerbal Joint Reinforcement which might be overriding the moment of inertia based on some other properties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadweasel Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Sorry if this has been addressed before: I just downloaded this mod, but I'm unable to install it because the .zip for 4.0c on the spaceport appears to be broken somehow. I've tried downloading it twice and haven't been able to open or unzip the archive. Anybody else have this problem/know how to fix it?You might need to create an account on the site and login with it. I've seen SpacePort behaving oddly by doing things like that. Logging in always seemed to correct them before. No idea why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnappingTurtle Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just use Kerbal Joint Reinforcement? I've never seen any wobbliness from B9 gears. Presumably it's because I have KJR installed or I'm not putting as much weight on the wheels as you guys. Maybe you just need more wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector_919 Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just use Kerbal Joint Reinforcement? I've never seen any wobbliness from B9 gears. Presumably it's because I have KJR installed or I'm not putting as much weight on the wheels as you guys. Maybe you just need more wheels?regarding KJR: I did that in KSP 0.22 and yes - it worked. However, downloading an entire mod just for fixing one bug doesn't sound like a solution for everyone.regarding "more wheels": when I hit the 40-wheels-mark It started to get crowded at the bottom of my planeand aside from that: fixing bugs is never wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrinovore Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 -snip-regarding "more wheels": when I hit the 40-wheels-mark It started to get crowded at the bottom of my plane-snip-Heh, yeah, I bet it started to get crowded in your RAM cards too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyomoto Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 My problem was adding extra gear didn't help, as soon as the weight was transferred to the last set, they went out all wobbly so it proved redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king224 Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Still forever patiently waiting for a 0.23 compatible version. yes i am aware that the community has taken care of this temporarily, but i've been having problems with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smunisto Posted February 8, 2014 Share Posted February 8, 2014 Not having B9 officially updated has made me not play KSP ever since 0.23 came out.Tried the community fixes - still not working. I always hated mods for mods for games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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