[1.12] Extraplanetary Launchpads v6.99.3

[Warezcrawler]

35 minutes ago, StarkRG said:

The mod is reporting that it's incompatible with 1.9.

It will always do that until updated, because it does a simple version comparison. It does not mean it cannot work, which it seems to do as far as I can see.... So just ignore the message for now - just means you cannot report it as a bug if it does not work.

[StarkRG]

Oh, it doesn't disable the plugin if it detects that?

[Warezcrawler]

1 hour ago, StarkRG said:

Oh, it doesn't disable the plugin if it detects that?

nope

[Critter79606]

Has anyone else noticed that the Launch Pad 2 doesn't sit all the way on the ground due to the tanks?

[taniwha]

On 2/15/2020 at 8:06 PM, Warezcrawler said:

just means you cannot report it as a bug if it does not work

Not true, as I (and other modders, I'm sure) would want to know it doesn't work. What it does mean is that you should make backups of your saves before proceeding (and if you don't, and things go wrong, you have only yourself to blame).

[tinygrox]

@taniwha Question: How to build this project in Windows? I don't see any .csproj and .sln files but many makefile files. 

I did some research and knew to use the "make" command, but it doesn't work. Maybe I'm doing something wrong

I would appreciate it if you could give me some help or tips.

[taniwha]

@tinygrox: I'm sorry, but you don't (without a lot of effort). Not only is the build-system highly linux dependent, it turns out it's even dependent on my (I have some wrapper scripts around blender that mess up some things for others, but I don't remember what just now, plus it requires my blender .mu addon).

That said, if all you want is the dll, then you should be able to put together a csproj file using the cs files found in the Source tree (recursive), and make sure it references the dlls in KSP's KSP_Data/Managed directory.

[Tonka Crash]

@taniwha Has any thought been given to a recipe for an electrically heated smelter like an electric arc or induction heated furnace?  I've got an orbital station that I'm using for a ship construction site and the smelter is sucking LFO as fast as I can resupply it.  I'd prefer to run the heating aspect of the smelter off a nuclear reactor and just use LFO for the chemical reactions necessary for the smelting process. It may also allow the efficiency to go up if you can run it higher temperatures than LFO heating would allow.

[taniwha]

@Tonka Crash: only vaguely, and I think I need to fix recipes to deal with better with mass-less resources (that would be the only thing standing in the way), though it might work currently, I don't remember.

[terrendos]

I'm playing on KSP 1.7.3 with the associated versions of this mod and Modular Kolonization System. I noticed that MKS seems to have swapped over the "SpecializedParts" object to "Sp" for some reason, but this mod still requires the original material. Is there a way to change the config in the settings to use "Sp" instead? I understand it's a mod conflict and I guess technically the fault lies with MKS but it seems like it might be an easier fix on this side, since I assume I'd have to mess with Ground Construction too if I wanted to change "Sp" to "SpecializedParts."

 

I much prefer this mod to Ground Construction, so I'm really hopeful that there's an easy fix. I'm not very well versed in editing configs.

 

EDIT: Huh, for some reason when I reloaded it worked. Never mind then, must have been a glitch on my end.

Edited March 13, 2020 by terrendos

[Ravlain]

Hi @taniwha , I'm trying to use EL for the first time, and I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong.  I've created a basic space dockyard, with a construction drone, 1600 RP in its internal inventory, and 6 control points ready to add fuel storage and start expanding the base.

I get it to orbit, turn on power, and try to start building a fuel tank on to one of the control points, before recycling the booster that brought the station to orbit, but right-click on the control point or drone shows nothing relevant, do I need an actual workshop before I can start construction?

Craft file is here :- https://www.dropbox.com/s/c1mtv4lx2m3fsjl/orbital shipyard.craft?dl=0

Built with Restock+, and I think the reactor is from Kerbal Atomics.

I should mention that I've changed the recycler to produce Metal, as I don't want to have to deal with the amount of fuel needed to run a smelter in orbit.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Ravlain
Added extra information

[taniwha]

@Tonka Crash: it turns out an EC-only smelter is quite doable without any changes to EL. Check the MetalWorking recipe (used by the workshops) in ExtraplanetaryLaunchpads/Resources/Recipes.cfg for an example.

[taniwha]

@Ravlain: I took a look at your craft and you do not have anywhere to build anything: use an orbital dock or micro pad (disposable pad) (or a suitable part from another mod that supports EL). Otherwise, it looks like you have everything you need.

(just took another look) The control reference is for switching your "control from here" while landing.

[Ravlain]

On 3/18/2020 at 8:40 AM, taniwha said:

@Ravlain: I took a look at your craft and you do not have anywhere to build anything: use an orbital dock or micro pad (disposable pad) (or a suitable part from another mod that supports EL). Otherwise, it looks like you have everything you need.

(just took another look) The control reference is for switching your "control from here" while landing.

@taniwha Oops, I misread something earlier in the thread. Time for a second try. 

Thanks for a great mod.

[Ravlain]

@taniwha or anyone who can help, I'm making progress, but I must still be missing something. I've got the construction working (just a single Rockomax Jumbo 64 tank), build time has completed, but no way to finalize the build?

Image here :- https://imgur.com/a/wNu4p0m

 

[taniwha]

Odd. Might be a rounding issue making it look like it's done when there's a tiny fraction left to go.. The displayed resource numbers aren't high precision.

Edited March 19, 2020 by taniwha

[Ravlain]

OK, checked the save and it requires an additional 3.5762787774729077E-05 rocket parts, annoying as I thought I had enough.

If I adjust BuildResrouce in BuildCost and BuiltStuff to the even 1600 will this release the build?

 

Edited March 19, 2020 by Ravlain

[taniwha]

As I thought. It's due to buildup of rounding errors. The solution is to have even just 1u more than you need, maybe even 0.1. You know, that extra screw that manufacturers always supply

[Tonka Crash]

@taniwha This is what I came up with for an electric smelter. I tried working up a variable efficiency based on heating the smelter, but I wasn't having any luck getting the smelter to actually heat up and I'd already spent way more time on this than I wanted. In the ELConverter for the part itself I'm running a rate of 500 that consumes 220EC for ~8 units of metal per second.  Fuel consumption is about ~1.05 units of liquid fuel per unit of metal. 

Spoiler

EL_ConverterRecipe
{
    // Smelter uses electricity for heating instead of LFO combustion.  Liquid
    // fuel is mixed with metal ore to remove O3. The resulting reaction
    // produces metal (Fe) along with water (H20) and carbon dioxide (C02).
    //
    // From existing EL recipes:
    //
    // LiquidFuel is assumed to be RP-1 which is further assumed to be C12H16
    // and thus is 160.25544g/mol
    //
    // MetalOre is assumed to be hematite (Fe2O3) which is 159.6882g/mol
    //
    // Metal is Iron (Fe) 55.845g/mol
    // Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 44.0095g/mol
    // Water (H2O) 18.01528g/mol.
    //
    // This gives the following reaction:
    //   32Fe203 + 3C12H16 = 64FE + 24H20 + 36C02
    //
    // With the following masses:
    //
    // Input:
    //     Fe2O3 = 5110.022g
    //     C12H16 = 480.7663
    //
    // Output:
    //     FE  = 3574.08g
    //     H2O = 432.3667g
    //     CO2 = 1584.342g
    //
    // Total Mass (in & out) = 5590.789 (Used for EC rate)
    // 
    // From wikipedia Electric Arc Furnace uses 440 kWh per ton per hour
    //   440kWh = (440,000w/hour)/(1,000,000g/hour) = 0.44w/g 
    //
    //	 1 EC assumed to be 1 watt, NFE uses 1 EC/s = 1000w. But this seems to
    //	 to be a really low power consumption.  
    //
    //   440kw/hour = 122.222 watt/s (use for scaling rate in part definition)
    //   Use Rate in EL_Converter definition of part to fine tune.
    name = ECHeatedSmelter
    Input
    {
        efficiency = 1.0
        ElectricCharge = 0.002459947 // 0.005590789*0.44
        MetalOre = 0.005110022
        LiquidFuel = 0.000480766
    }
    Output
    {
        efficiency = 1.0
        Metal = 0.00357408
        Water* = 0.000432367
        CarbonDioxide* = 0.001584342
    }
}
EL_ConverterRecipe
{
    // Remelter is simpler just consume EC at 0.44 EC/g
    name = ECHeatedRemelter
    Input
    {
        efficiency = 1
        ElectricCharge = 0.00044
        ScrapMetal = 0.001
    }
    Output
    {
        efficiency = 1
        Metal = 0.001
    }
}

 

 

[taniwha]

@Tonka Crash: Thank you. I have added your config as ECSmelter.cfg to EL's git. It will be in the next release (which should be soon).

[leatherneck6017]

@taniwha Is it intended behavior for EL to return its focus to pad-0 after finalizing a build on another pad? Meaning that the user has to manually switch back to the build pad in order to release the object. Video of what I mean in spoiler:

Spoiler

 

 

[taniwha]

@leatherneck6017: not really. It bothers me too, but I don't have multiple pads often enough for it to be in my face. Also, I think you might be the first person to complain about it (to me).

[leatherneck6017]

59 minutes ago, taniwha said:

@leatherneck6017: not really. It bothers me too, but I don't have multiple pads often enough for it to be in my face. Also, I think you might be the first person to complain about it (to me).

I'm surprised I'm the first. For some reason I built a KPBS base with 2 launchpads and I face this every time I build something. No big deal, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for the reply.

[taniwha]

That I now know it bothers others means it's now a higher priority to fix

[leatherneck6017]

3 minutes ago, taniwha said:

That I now know it bothers others means it's now a higher priority to fix

I briefly looked at your code but couldn't find where this occurs. Thanks for your time.